Comments on: freedom of speech. thanks.

By: aklapper

aklapper — Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:37:41 +0000

@gicmo: interesting point.
people of course are free to criticize others, sure. but what i criticize is when people tell other people to shut up (and sentences like “please stop annoying us with your vegetarian posts on Planet GNOME” is one of them), because this suppresses freedom of speech. it’s the old question: shall i also be tolerant towards people that are intolerant? i mostly am, i think. but shall i “offer” freedom of speech to those that want others to not speak? a good question, seems like this is the one exception that i feel and that i wasn’t aware of before your posting.
i don’t want monologues, sure. but if you kind of insult people with a simple “shut up”, that’s not really a start of a “dialogue” to me. when writing my post i maybe also had the gnome code of conducts in my mind that i support, and did not mention it.
but in the end i have to admit that you’re right, looked like a contradiction, thanks a lot for pointing it out!

By: Christian Kellner - Braindump » Blog Archive » Freedom of Speech

Christian Kellner - Braindump » Blog Archive » Freedom of Speech — Tue, 02 Oct 2007 16:47:32 +0000

[...] Andre, if you really want free speech and you do indeed like people which have strong opinions then I really don’t all understand what all the fuzz is about anyway; because on that basis Matthias’ complains fall under free speech in exactly the same way as david’s post. If you want freedom of speech then you get the full packages including people complaining about other peoples writings. And if the solution is that one just ignores posting that one disagrees with then we don’t get any discussion at all and everybody just gives monologues. Code This entry was posted on Tuesday, October 2nd, 2007 at 5:45 pm You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. You can leave a response, or trackback from your own site. [...]

By: Kelly Clowers

Kelly Clowers — Tue, 02 Oct 2007 15:25:10 +0000

Keif said:
It isn’t about free speech. The right to free speech has to do with preventing gov’t censorship. If you don’t know what our rights are, you won’t be able to defend them. Miguel has no “right” to waste everyone’s time with his liberal ideas on what is meant as a technical feed.

Miguel has every right to talk about whatever he wants to talk about on his own blog. Of course, the p.g.o admins also have the right to not include his feed (although I hope they don’t remove it).

As much as I like the technical info on the planets (a lot!), I feel they would be a bit dry without non-technical posts.

I don’t care if people present views I don’t agree with (political or otherwise). I will either ignore those post, or shake my head and say to myself “I disagree”, or (rarely) I will post some sort of rebuttal in the comments.

By: aklapper

aklapper — Tue, 02 Oct 2007 11:35:56 +0000

@Keif:
planet.gnome.org is definitely *not* meant as a technical-only feed, it’s just a window to the life of those heads behind gnome, which also includes private stuff. that is the definition of planet gnome.

regarding your last paragraph: you are probably right that less people would *share* “similar right-wing” opinions, but for me it would not change a thing – still, everybody can blog about what he wants. if i remember correctly there have been pro-republican postings on planet gnome in the past, but people prefered to discuss using arguments, instead of asking to stop political postings. i for myself can only say: i have both right-wing and left-wing friends and i love listening to/discussing with/learning from both of them.

By: Keif

Keif — Tue, 02 Oct 2007 11:24:27 +0000

It isn’t about free speech. The right to free speech has to do with preventing gov’t censorship. If you don’t know what our rights are, you won’t be able to defend them. Miguel has no “right” to waste everyone’s time with his liberal ideas on what is meant as a technical feed.

I don’t really mind the political stuff, I just get sad and annoyed that it is an ignorant onslaught from one perspective.

BTW, I’m sure if a defense of the righteousness of the war in Iraq, importance of Gitmo, how Cheney is the best possible prez for 2008, and similar right-wing stuff was posted, it wouldn’t be so accepted..

By: andre klapper

andre klapper — Tue, 02 Oct 2007 10:13:52 +0000

@Martin:
Miguel can post whatever he wants, and his points of view, whenever he likes. How you interpret his postings is your problem, but obviously i interpret them differently. And calling people “traitors” is this ideology thingy that just always bores me, because i heard it a billion times already. realize that open source software is not a religion, but another business model.

By: Martin Coxall

Martin Coxall — Tue, 02 Oct 2007 09:34:17 +0000

You DO want Miguel to keep posting his Jew Hate. You DO want him to keep sucking at Microsoft’s filthy TEAT all the while shouting how sweet and tasty Ballmer’s milk is.

You DO want him to continue to be a cretinous traitor to the community that despoils everything he touches.

By: Richard

Richard — Tue, 02 Oct 2007 05:03:17 +0000

Thank you very much for posting this.