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	<title>Comments on: Non-technical GNOMEys</title>
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		<title>By: Matthew Revell</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2006/06/06/non-technical-gnomeys/comment-page-1/#comment-215</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Revell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen brother :)&lt;p/&gt;So many people in our community drop back to prejudice the moment the word &quot;marketing&quot; is mentioned. I&#039;ve argued in the past that the open source process is a distilled version of marketing: needs are identified, those needs are satisfied and ongoing community feedback ensures that the resultant product remains relevant.&lt;p/&gt;It&#039;s vital that open source/free software projects find new ways to recruit contributors. I&#039;m not a coder and, although I submit the odd bug report, that&#039;s not the best way for people like me to become involved in a project.&lt;p/&gt;When trying to find a project to which I could contribute documentation, I found that I was welcome but:&lt;p/&gt;a. no one really knew how to use my skills&lt;br/&gt;b. the onus was on me to navigate my way round the project to find where I&#039;d fit in&lt;br/&gt;c. I was thrown in at the deep end.&lt;p/&gt;I don&#039;t know how that compares with a coder&#039;s experience, obviously.&lt;p/&gt;With documentation in particular, I&#039;ve often found that there&#039;s an, almost grudging, acceptance that it&#039;s necessary but that it will only really hinder the code.&lt;p/&gt;Mitchell&#039;s assertion that &quot;Integrating non-engineering contributors takes a lot of trust&quot; concerns me. &quot;Them and us&quot; is, it would appear, accepted as the MO. Why should people like me be any more of a risk than a new code contributor?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen brother <img src='http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
<p />So many people in our community drop back to prejudice the moment the word &#8220;marketing&#8221; is mentioned. I&#8217;ve argued in the past that the open source process is a distilled version of marketing: needs are identified, those needs are satisfied and ongoing community feedback ensures that the resultant product remains relevant.
<p />It&#8217;s vital that open source/free software projects find new ways to recruit contributors. I&#8217;m not a coder and, although I submit the odd bug report, that&#8217;s not the best way for people like me to become involved in a project.
<p />When trying to find a project to which I could contribute documentation, I found that I was welcome but:
<p />a. no one really knew how to use my skills<br />b. the onus was on me to navigate my way round the project to find where I&#8217;d fit in<br />c. I was thrown in at the deep end.
<p />I don&#8217;t know how that compares with a coder&#8217;s experience, obviously.
<p />With documentation in particular, I&#8217;ve often found that there&#8217;s an, almost grudging, acceptance that it&#8217;s necessary but that it will only really hinder the code.
<p />Mitchell&#8217;s assertion that &#8220;Integrating non-engineering contributors takes a lot of trust&#8221; concerns me. &#8220;Them and us&#8221; is, it would appear, accepted as the MO. Why should people like me be any more of a risk than a new code contributor?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave neary</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2006/06/06/non-technical-gnomeys/comment-page-1/#comment-216</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave neary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew: &quot;Why should people like me be any more of a risk than a new code contributor?&quot; - because most of the people already in the community have no way to measure how competent you are with their current toolset.&lt;p/&gt;When Mitchell says that we need trust on both sides, it&#039;s because when someone who isn&#039;t technical asks a techie to do something for them, often the reaction is either &quot;who do they think they are?&quot; or &quot;I know better&quot;, or &quot;show me the code&quot;.&lt;p/&gt;We need to have some way to get the first non-technical contributors heavily involved in things like release co-ordination and marketing to get that meritocracy bootstrapped. We need to trust that new people coming into those roles are capable, and trust them, until they prove otherwise ;-)&lt;br/&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew: &#8220;Why should people like me be any more of a risk than a new code contributor?&#8221; &#8211; because most of the people already in the community have no way to measure how competent you are with their current toolset.
<p />When Mitchell says that we need trust on both sides, it&#8217;s because when someone who isn&#8217;t technical asks a techie to do something for them, often the reaction is either &#8220;who do they think they are?&#8221; or &#8220;I know better&#8221;, or &#8220;show me the code&#8221;.
<p />We need to have some way to get the first non-technical contributors heavily involved in things like release co-ordination and marketing to get that meritocracy bootstrapped. We need to trust that new people coming into those roles are capable, and trust them, until they prove otherwise <img src='http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-wink.png' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Revell</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2006/06/06/non-technical-gnomeys/comment-page-1/#comment-217</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Revell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When Mitchell says that we need trust on both sides, it&#039;s because when someone who isn&#039;t technical asks a techie to do something for them, often the reaction is either &quot;who do they think they are?&quot; or &quot;I know better&quot;, or &quot;show me the code&quot;.&quot;&lt;p/&gt;Which kinda reinforces my point that there is, in some projects, a feeling of &quot;them and us&quot;. I think it falls on existing project members to make the effort to meet non-techie people at their level, as otherwise the whole community side of the open source process could get lost. If non-tech people don&#039;t feel welcome, they&#039;ll quickly become jaded. Who can blame them if the attitude is, as you suggest, &quot;show me the code&quot;?&lt;p/&gt;The Bazaar revision control system is a great example of how it can work, though. They recognise the value of non-coder skills and they&#039;re actively seeking to bring people into the project who have them. Of course, it helps that they have the benefit of Canonical&#039;s backing to employ people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When Mitchell says that we need trust on both sides, it&#8217;s because when someone who isn&#8217;t technical asks a techie to do something for them, often the reaction is either &#8220;who do they think they are?&#8221; or &#8220;I know better&#8221;, or &#8220;show me the code&#8221;.&#8221;
<p />Which kinda reinforces my point that there is, in some projects, a feeling of &#8220;them and us&#8221;. I think it falls on existing project members to make the effort to meet non-techie people at their level, as otherwise the whole community side of the open source process could get lost. If non-tech people don&#8217;t feel welcome, they&#8217;ll quickly become jaded. Who can blame them if the attitude is, as you suggest, &#8220;show me the code&#8221;?
<p />The Bazaar revision control system is a great example of how it can work, though. They recognise the value of non-coder skills and they&#8217;re actively seeking to bring people into the project who have them. Of course, it helps that they have the benefit of Canonical&#8217;s backing to employ people.</p>
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