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	<title>Comments on: New column-wise Nautilus view, User data backup &#38; replay</title>
	<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/cneumair/2008/02/17/new-column-wise-nautilus-view-user-data-backup-replay/</link>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 20:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: claudiodsf</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/cneumair/2008/02/17/new-column-wise-nautilus-view-user-data-backup-replay/#comment-239</link>
		<dc:creator>claudiodsf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.gnome.org/cneumair/2008/02/17/new-column-wise-nautilus-view-user-data-backup-replay/#comment-239</guid>
		<description>What about a multi-pane column view like the OSX Finder?

To me, it is one of the best way of examining at a glance a very structured file system. It also allows you to move files between several levels, without cut/paste or opening a second window in the destination folder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ColumnBrowseInOSX10.2.8.jpg
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Tiger/Using_the_Finder#Column_View

I've submitted an idea for this on ubuntu brainstorm:

http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/4496/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about a multi-pane column view like the OSX Finder?</p>
<p>To me, it is one of the best way of examining at a glance a very structured file system. It also allows you to move files between several levels, without cut/paste or opening a second window in the destination folder.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ColumnBrowseInOSX10.2.8.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ColumnBrowseInOSX10.2.8.jpg</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Tiger/Using_the_Finder#Column_View" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Tiger/Using_the_Finder#Column_View</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve submitted an idea for this on ubuntu brainstorm:</p>
<p><a href="http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/4496/" rel="nofollow">http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/4496/</a></p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/cneumair/2008/02/17/new-column-wise-nautilus-view-user-data-backup-replay/#comment-238</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.gnome.org/cneumair/2008/02/17/new-column-wise-nautilus-view-user-data-backup-replay/#comment-238</guid>
		<description>@Slapo

I would love a group view as well. I'd humbly pledge what little I have in  my paypal account to see that feature come about. It's inclusion in Dolphin is probably the sole reason that KDE4 looks tempting to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Slapo</p>
<p>I would love a group view as well. I&#8217;d humbly pledge what little I have in  my paypal account to see that feature come about. It&#8217;s inclusion in Dolphin is probably the sole reason that KDE4 looks tempting to me.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/cneumair/2008/02/17/new-column-wise-nautilus-view-user-data-backup-replay/#comment-237</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.gnome.org/cneumair/2008/02/17/new-column-wise-nautilus-view-user-data-backup-replay/#comment-237</guid>
		<description>Screwtape, I think the you're totally wrong.

The point of column view is to see a great deal of files at once by taking a basic listview, removing the details columns (which in many situations are useless) then populating those columns with data that's useful thereby maximizing the amount of relevant information within a given space. 

In a 10 item x 3 column setup the user can view a continuous list of 30 items. They key word here being 'continuous' list. Your method may still displays 30 items at one time but it only displays 10 relevant items at one time. Say for example I have a folder of 70 files and I'm looking for a particular XML file (out of 22 XML files). I would naturally sort by file extension then scroll to the point where the XML files start. With a horizontal arrangement I could see every XML file at the same time (or pretty close to it). With a vertical arrangement I would have exactly zero benefit over simply using a list view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Screwtape, I think the you&#8217;re totally wrong.</p>
<p>The point of column view is to see a great deal of files at once by taking a basic listview, removing the details columns (which in many situations are useless) then populating those columns with data that&#8217;s useful thereby maximizing the amount of relevant information within a given space. </p>
<p>In a 10 item x 3 column setup the user can view a continuous list of 30 items. They key word here being &#8216;continuous&#8217; list. Your method may still displays 30 items at one time but it only displays 10 relevant items at one time. Say for example I have a folder of 70 files and I&#8217;m looking for a particular XML file (out of 22 XML files). I would naturally sort by file extension then scroll to the point where the XML files start. With a horizontal arrangement I could see every XML file at the same time (or pretty close to it). With a vertical arrangement I would have exactly zero benefit over simply using a list view.</p>
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		<title>By: sark666</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/cneumair/2008/02/17/new-column-wise-nautilus-view-user-data-backup-replay/#comment-236</link>
		<dc:creator>sark666</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.gnome.org/cneumair/2008/02/17/new-column-wise-nautilus-view-user-data-backup-replay/#comment-236</guid>
		<description>I have for ages wanted a fixed width setting for column in normal details view.  I asked for that as an enhancement a couple of years ago but it never bore fruit.  

Anyway to integrate that feature into regular details?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have for ages wanted a fixed width setting for column in normal details view.  I asked for that as an enhancement a couple of years ago but it never bore fruit.  </p>
<p>Anyway to integrate that feature into regular details?</p>
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		<title>By: Slapo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/cneumair/2008/02/17/new-column-wise-nautilus-view-user-data-backup-replay/#comment-235</link>
		<dc:creator>Slapo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.gnome.org/cneumair/2008/02/17/new-column-wise-nautilus-view-user-data-backup-replay/#comment-235</guid>
		<description>It would be great if someone managed to implement a group view, so that files could be shown in groups according to their file types, names, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be great if someone managed to implement a group view, so that files could be shown in groups according to their file types, names, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Screwtape</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/cneumair/2008/02/17/new-column-wise-nautilus-view-user-data-backup-replay/#comment-234</link>
		<dc:creator>Screwtape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.gnome.org/cneumair/2008/02/17/new-column-wise-nautilus-view-user-data-backup-replay/#comment-234</guid>
		<description>Oh dear god, no.

I appreciate that this is an important 'familiarity' item for GNOME users coming from a Windows background, and that it fills a niche that neither of Nautilus' existing views fill (a space-efficient view of lots of files), but it seems that in copying Windows Explorer's behaviour you've also copied its two most infuriating attributes:

 1. When the list overflows, it scrolls horizontally. Horizontal scrolling is uncomfortable and awkward, it clashes with all the usual navigation shortcuts (the scroll wheel scrolls vertically, not horizontally! We have Page Up and Page Down, not Page Left and Page Right!), and it's just generally One More Strange Thing to learn to deal with. If you followed the example of ls, and fit as many columns as possible horizontally then overflowed vertically, it'd be a lot easier to deal with.

 1. Every column is given the exact same spacing. This is particularly frustrating in Windows, where the file dialogs are rather small, but if you have a file with an unusually long filename then it's not hard to wind up with a file-list with a single column of short-named files clustered against the left-hand edge, and vast emptiness to the right. You'd see the second and subsequent columns if you scrolled right, but the only clue that there are some hidden items is that the scroll-bar-thumb is shorter than it should be (and again, most people don't look at the horizontal scrollbar because most widgets overflow vertically). If you sized each column to fit the file-names in that column, much grief could be avoided.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear god, no.</p>
<p>I appreciate that this is an important &#8216;familiarity&#8217; item for GNOME users coming from a Windows background, and that it fills a niche that neither of Nautilus&#8217; existing views fill (a space-efficient view of lots of files), but it seems that in copying Windows Explorer&#8217;s behaviour you&#8217;ve also copied its two most infuriating attributes:</p>
<p> 1. When the list overflows, it scrolls horizontally. Horizontal scrolling is uncomfortable and awkward, it clashes with all the usual navigation shortcuts (the scroll wheel scrolls vertically, not horizontally! We have Page Up and Page Down, not Page Left and Page Right!), and it&#8217;s just generally One More Strange Thing to learn to deal with. If you followed the example of ls, and fit as many columns as possible horizontally then overflowed vertically, it&#8217;d be a lot easier to deal with.</p>
<p> 1. Every column is given the exact same spacing. This is particularly frustrating in Windows, where the file dialogs are rather small, but if you have a file with an unusually long filename then it&#8217;s not hard to wind up with a file-list with a single column of short-named files clustered against the left-hand edge, and vast emptiness to the right. You&#8217;d see the second and subsequent columns if you scrolled right, but the only clue that there are some hidden items is that the scroll-bar-thumb is shorter than it should be (and again, most people don&#8217;t look at the horizontal scrollbar because most widgets overflow vertically). If you sized each column to fit the file-names in that column, much grief could be avoided.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaute Lindkvist</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/cneumair/2008/02/17/new-column-wise-nautilus-view-user-data-backup-replay/#comment-233</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaute Lindkvist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.gnome.org/cneumair/2008/02/17/new-column-wise-nautilus-view-user-data-backup-replay/#comment-233</guid>
		<description>OS X Leopard has a sliding scale which allows you to set any grid-spacing between tight and very large. I think this would make more sense than a drop down box with "Tight" and "Regular" spacing. The option would take up the same amount of GUI space and be just as sensible to the user, while still providing more functionality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OS X Leopard has a sliding scale which allows you to set any grid-spacing between tight and very large. I think this would make more sense than a drop down box with &#8220;Tight&#8221; and &#8220;Regular&#8221; spacing. The option would take up the same amount of GUI space and be just as sensible to the user, while still providing more functionality.</p>
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		<title>By: Isak</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/cneumair/2008/02/17/new-column-wise-nautilus-view-user-data-backup-replay/#comment-232</link>
		<dc:creator>Isak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.gnome.org/cneumair/2008/02/17/new-column-wise-nautilus-view-user-data-backup-replay/#comment-232</guid>
		<description>Never EVER rest until this is implemented!! I beg you! =) This looks really nice!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never EVER rest until this is implemented!! I beg you! =) This looks really nice!</p>
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		<title>By: kenden</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/cneumair/2008/02/17/new-column-wise-nautilus-view-user-data-backup-replay/#comment-231</link>
		<dc:creator>kenden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.gnome.org/cneumair/2008/02/17/new-column-wise-nautilus-view-user-data-backup-replay/#comment-231</guid>
		<description>Really nice, this is my major complain about gnome!
I hope it gets in soon,

Thanks a lot!

This is solving this also:
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/76/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really nice, this is my major complain about gnome!<br />
I hope it gets in soon,</p>
<p>Thanks a lot!</p>
<p>This is solving this also:<br />
<a href="http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/76/" rel="nofollow">http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/76/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marshal</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/cneumair/2008/02/17/new-column-wise-nautilus-view-user-data-backup-replay/#comment-230</link>
		<dc:creator>Marshal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 01:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.gnome.org/cneumair/2008/02/17/new-column-wise-nautilus-view-user-data-backup-replay/#comment-230</guid>
		<description>@Anonymous: Men, that is really weird...ill guess i better stop using Open-ID..thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="http://blogs.gnome.org/cneumair/2008/02/17/new-column-wise-nautilus-view-user-data-backup-replay/#comment-224">Anonymous</a>: Men, that is really weird&#8230;ill guess i better stop using Open-ID..thanks</p>
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