Comments on: “be excellent to each other” http://blogs.gnome.org/desrt/2009/10/13/be-excellent-to-each-other/ a lowercase manifesto Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:31:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: pvanhoof http://blogs.gnome.org/desrt/2009/10/13/be-excellent-to-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-579 pvanhoof Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:26:15 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/desrt/?p=101#comment-579 Aha, thanks for this Ryan. This is also how I feel about this trend where the online society wants to say for each and every person what they are doing wrong (even if there's no malice at all). I explained my point of view on this here: http://pvanhoof.be/blog/index.php/2008/09/14/moral-indulgence "I questioned whether only intent can either be good or bad, but that question was refuted as irrelevant. For it’s the beholder who matters. Not the producer." "The reason for this irrelevance being that an audience doesn’t take the responsibility of trying to understand intent. I disagree with this conclusion. I think the audience does understand intent." And in comments: "I said audience has a responsibility to decide for themselves whether or not the ideas that appear on a website (like my blog) are either true, false, idiot, genius, acceptable, immoral, etc. ..." "I say that audience has the capacity to understand intent and that audience, if it wants to be relevant audience, needs to utilize this capacity. " Aha, thanks for this Ryan. This is also how I feel about this trend where the online society wants to say for each and every person what they are doing wrong (even if there’s no malice at all).

I explained my point of view on this here:

http://pvanhoof.be/blog/index.php/2008/09/14/moral-indulgence

“I questioned whether only intent can either be good or bad, but that question was refuted as irrelevant. For it’s the beholder who matters. Not the producer.”

“The reason for this irrelevance being that an audience doesn’t take the responsibility of trying to understand intent. I disagree with this conclusion. I think the audience does understand intent.”

And in comments:

“I said audience has a responsibility to decide for themselves whether or not the ideas that appear on a website (like my blog) are either true, false, idiot, genius, acceptable, immoral, etc. …”

“I say that audience has the capacity to understand intent and that audience, if it wants to be relevant audience, needs to utilize this capacity. “

]]> By: TGM http://blogs.gnome.org/desrt/2009/10/13/be-excellent-to-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-578 TGM Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:17:14 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/desrt/?p=101#comment-578 “be excellent to each other” Bill and Ted! Excellent! “be excellent to each other”

Bill and Ted! Excellent!

]]> By: Murray Cumming http://blogs.gnome.org/desrt/2009/10/13/be-excellent-to-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-577 Murray Cumming Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:14:18 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/desrt/?p=101#comment-577 Yeah, that's in the (slightly older) GNOME code of conduct, which is a little more concise: http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct Yeah, that’s in the (slightly older) GNOME code of conduct, which is a little more concise:
http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct

]]> By: Chris Lord http://blogs.gnome.org/desrt/2009/10/13/be-excellent-to-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-576 Chris Lord Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:12:15 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/desrt/?p=101#comment-576 In agreement with Adam Williamson here. I was always taught that you should be respectful of other peoples' feelings, so if you've offended someone, you should apologise for offending them and try not to do it again. I think that's pretty reasonable. People are clearly offended, I don't see what's so hard about apologising (and meaning it). I agree that some of the blog posts about this have gone totally over the top, but that doesn't mean that there isn't an issue. In agreement with Adam Williamson here. I was always taught that you should be respectful of other peoples’ feelings, so if you’ve offended someone, you should apologise for offending them and try not to do it again. I think that’s pretty reasonable. People are clearly offended, I don’t see what’s so hard about apologising (and meaning it).

I agree that some of the blog posts about this have gone totally over the top, but that doesn’t mean that there isn’t an issue.

]]> By: Adam Williamson http://blogs.gnome.org/desrt/2009/10/13/be-excellent-to-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-575 Adam Williamson Tue, 13 Oct 2009 06:49:27 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/desrt/?p=101#comment-575 Tim: that's...uh...what? Barack Obama makes rather a lot of political speeches, does that make him a political extremist? Some people write lots of blog entries about coding, does that make them coding extremists? You're not making any sense. I don't really know what else to say. Tim: that’s…uh…what? Barack Obama makes rather a lot of political speeches, does that make him a political extremist? Some people write lots of blog entries about coding, does that make them coding extremists? You’re not making any sense. I don’t really know what else to say.

]]> By: Tim http://blogs.gnome.org/desrt/2009/10/13/be-excellent-to-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-574 Tim Tue, 13 Oct 2009 06:29:48 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/desrt/?p=101#comment-574 The sheer number of blog posts and comments some people (lefty, adam etc.) have left are a clear indication of extremism. The sheer number of blog posts and comments some people (lefty, adam etc.) have left are a clear indication of extremism.

]]> By: Adam Williamson http://blogs.gnome.org/desrt/2009/10/13/be-excellent-to-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-573 Adam Williamson Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:46:23 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/desrt/?p=101#comment-573 No-one is 'being flogged'. This kind of misrepresentation is getting really tiresome. Someone pointed out a remark which had an unfortunate effect - no malice was ever presumed, no allegation of malicious intent was ever made - and asked for an apology _for the effect of the remark_, not for any malicious intent. No apology has been made. There is the story in a nutshell. The lack of apology is the most worrying thing. Everyone assumed Mark meant well. That's why someone approached him privately to ask if he'd maybe say sorry before making it public. That's why everyone was extremely careful to say they were complaining only about the substance of an individual remark, not suggesting anything negative about his character in general or his intentions or motivations. Despite all of this care, there's still been no apology. Jamie, if you think this is extremism, you lead a really, really sheltered life. No-one is ‘being flogged’. This kind of misrepresentation is getting really tiresome. Someone pointed out a remark which had an unfortunate effect – no malice was ever presumed, no allegation of malicious intent was ever made – and asked for an apology _for the effect of the remark_, not for any malicious intent. No apology has been made. There is the story in a nutshell. The lack of apology is the most worrying thing. Everyone assumed Mark meant well. That’s why someone approached him privately to ask if he’d maybe say sorry before making it public. That’s why everyone was extremely careful to say they were complaining only about the substance of an individual remark, not suggesting anything negative about his character in general or his intentions or motivations. Despite all of this care, there’s still been no apology.

Jamie, if you think this is extremism, you lead a really, really sheltered life.

]]> By: Aria Stewart http://blogs.gnome.org/desrt/2009/10/13/be-excellent-to-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-572 Aria Stewart Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:22:27 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/desrt/?p=101#comment-572 Yes indeed! I think that's something that really needs to be kept in mind in the talks about sexism that are occurring lately. It's a problem, but it's certainly not out of malice. Yes indeed! I think that’s something that really needs to be kept in mind in the talks about sexism that are occurring lately. It’s a problem, but it’s certainly not out of malice.

]]> By: Jamie McCracken http://blogs.gnome.org/desrt/2009/10/13/be-excellent-to-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-571 Jamie McCracken Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:15:59 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/desrt/?p=101#comment-571 Great to see common sense winning over extremist political correctness! Great to see common sense winning over extremist political correctness!

]]> By: Jason Smith http://blogs.gnome.org/desrt/2009/10/13/be-excellent-to-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-570 Jason Smith Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:07:59 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/desrt/?p=101#comment-570 Blog post of the month. +5 internets and a webby. Would buy again. Blog post of the month. +5 internets and a webby. Would buy again.

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