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	<title>Comments on: Protect our heritage</title>
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	<description>Glynn Foster . OpenSolaris . Ireland . GNOME . Climbing . New Zealand . Brewing . Blog</description>
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		<title>By: Matthew Cruickshank</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2007/08/28/protect-our-heritage/comment-page-1/#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Cruickshank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 05:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was inevitable :)

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		<title>By: Matthew Cruickshank</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2007/08/28/protect-our-heritage/comment-page-1/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Cruickshank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Glynn, (by the way, I saw your OpenSolaris/Indiana talk at UP here in Wellington a while ago -- it was good)

Thankfully the Microsoft letter has been demoted from yesterdays page C3 to todays page C10, so here&#039;s hoping that it continues on its path to obscurity. I started laughing as I read it... I think it was the idea of hearing Stephen Colbert reading it aloud, lambasting those didn&#039;t stand for businesses, communities and families/puppies.

I make this OSS document conversion software and I was at the Standards NZ meeting with NZOSS (yeah those were my notes on the NZOSS site that you saw). I think the meeting went well, and I was very impressed with NZ Government Agencies who had a consensus building process and firmly stuck with an opinion of No (due to the technical quality of the spec). Google and IBM did well too -- although they were mostly using notes rather going into detail.

Anyway, there&#039;s some comments here from Don Christie about the main notion in the letter that OOXML has anything to do with retaining legacy documents, http://nzoss.org.nz/node/185

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Glynn, (by the way, I saw your OpenSolaris/Indiana talk at UP here in Wellington a while ago &#8212; it was good)</p>
<p>Thankfully the Microsoft letter has been demoted from yesterdays page C3 to todays page C10, so here&#8217;s hoping that it continues on its path to obscurity. I started laughing as I read it&#8230; I think it was the idea of hearing Stephen Colbert reading it aloud, lambasting those didn&#8217;t stand for businesses, communities and families/puppies.</p>
<p>I make this OSS document conversion software and I was at the Standards NZ meeting with NZOSS (yeah those were my notes on the NZOSS site that you saw). I think the meeting went well, and I was very impressed with NZ Government Agencies who had a consensus building process and firmly stuck with an opinion of No (due to the technical quality of the spec). Google and IBM did well too &#8212; although they were mostly using notes rather going into detail.</p>
<p>Anyway, there&#8217;s some comments here from Don Christie about the main notion in the letter that OOXML has anything to do with retaining legacy documents, <a href="http://nzoss.org.nz/node/185" rel="nofollow">http://nzoss.org.nz/node/185</a></p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: erik</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2007/08/28/protect-our-heritage/comment-page-1/#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just had to lol (smile quietly to myself?) at that &quot;human readability of XML&quot;. 

One of my friends was recently sent one Excel sheet that was saved using the new XML format. I could not find any application to open it. (I own legal Vista and Office 2007, but I was too lazy to install them under VMWare.) So, I thought &quot;Gee, it&#039;s XML and human readable. All I have to do is to uncompress it and read it.&quot;. Sounded pretty reasonable as all I had to actually extract was one line of text for solving the real life problem.

Okay, uncompressing went fine.. Found the file with the actual contents very fast. Opened it on Gedit.. WTF. It made my eyes bleed instantly. It was extremely hard to understand (I talk XML as my second language thank you) and I gave up after a while. I gave up extracting one line (roughly 10 words of text) from that. 

After a while the solution was to email the original file using Google Mail to an other account. Google Mail has got this &quot;view as HTML&quot; feature. Guess what? It worked perfectly.

XML vs me: 1-0
Google vs all the open source available: 1-0
Microsoft&#039;s XML format vs ODF: ?

It might be better.. Or then again not. The tasks we are accomplishing using XML are quite complex, I wouldn&#039;t call it really human understandable even in the best case. Perhaps ODF is a little bit better... But not really readable either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just had to lol (smile quietly to myself?) at that &#8220;human readability of XML&#8221;. </p>
<p>One of my friends was recently sent one Excel sheet that was saved using the new XML format. I could not find any application to open it. (I own legal Vista and Office 2007, but I was too lazy to install them under VMWare.) So, I thought &#8220;Gee, it&#8217;s XML and human readable. All I have to do is to uncompress it and read it.&#8221;. Sounded pretty reasonable as all I had to actually extract was one line of text for solving the real life problem.</p>
<p>Okay, uncompressing went fine.. Found the file with the actual contents very fast. Opened it on Gedit.. WTF. It made my eyes bleed instantly. It was extremely hard to understand (I talk XML as my second language thank you) and I gave up after a while. I gave up extracting one line (roughly 10 words of text) from that. </p>
<p>After a while the solution was to email the original file using Google Mail to an other account. Google Mail has got this &#8220;view as HTML&#8221; feature. Guess what? It worked perfectly.</p>
<p>XML vs me: 1-0<br />
Google vs all the open source available: 1-0<br />
Microsoft&#8217;s XML format vs ODF: ?</p>
<p>It might be better.. Or then again not. The tasks we are accomplishing using XML are quite complex, I wouldn&#8217;t call it really human understandable even in the best case. Perhaps ODF is a little bit better&#8230; But not really readable either.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris I</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2007/08/28/protect-our-heritage/comment-page-1/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Open XML is a new format that allows Microsoft Word, Excel and PowerPoint
documents to be easily converted to an open standard&quot;

At least they are not pretending Open XML is itself a standard..</description>
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documents to be easily converted to an open standard&#8221;</p>
<p>At least they are not pretending Open XML is itself a standard..</p>
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