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	<title>Comments on: Indiana Update</title>
	<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2007/09/21/indiana-update/</link>
	<description>Glynn Foster . OpenSolaris . Ireland . GNOME . Climbing . New Zealand . Brewing . Blog</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 02:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Project Indiana - aktueller Status at Otmanix Blog</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2007/09/21/indiana-update/#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>Project Indiana - aktueller Status at Otmanix Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 15:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2007/09/21/indiana-update/#comment-100</guid>
		<description>[...] technische Details zu Indiana gibt es im Blog von Glynn Foster. Dort wird z.B. auch das Thema ZFS als Root-Filesystem und Xen angesprochen. Ebenso wird [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] technische Details zu Indiana gibt es im Blog von Glynn Foster. Dort wird z.B. auch das Thema ZFS als Root-Filesystem und Xen angesprochen. Ebenso wird [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Project Indiana - aktueller Status at Otmanix Test-Blog</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2007/09/21/indiana-update/#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator>Project Indiana - aktueller Status at Otmanix Test-Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 08:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2007/09/21/indiana-update/#comment-88</guid>
		<description>[...] technische Details zu Indiana gibt es im Blog von Glynn Foster. Dort wird z.B. auch das Thema ZFS als Root-Filesystem und Xen angesprochen. Ebenso wird [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] technische Details zu Indiana gibt es im Blog von Glynn Foster. Dort wird z.B. auch das Thema ZFS als Root-Filesystem und Xen angesprochen. Ebenso wird [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Bochnig</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2007/09/21/indiana-update/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Bochnig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 22:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2007/09/21/indiana-update/#comment-80</guid>
		<description>Glynn, no exaggerations pls.
One could name "a hundred" others, who invest all of their spare time as well.
Plus, when starting to think about this, it is not too easy to always thank anyone for her/his contributions. We might soon end up in Stalinism then, with pictures of the contributors all over the place. Or with 98% "thank you so much" messages in the mailing lists, and less than 2% content.   cu  %m</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glynn, no exaggerations pls.<br />
One could name &#8220;a hundred&#8221; others, who invest all of their spare time as well.<br />
Plus, when starting to think about this, it is not too easy to always thank anyone for her/his contributions. We might soon end up in Stalinism then, with pictures of the contributors all over the place. Or with 98% &#8220;thank you so much&#8221; messages in the mailing lists, and less than 2% content.   cu  %m</p>
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		<title>By: gman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2007/09/21/indiana-update/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>gman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 20:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2007/09/21/indiana-update/#comment-79</guid>
		<description>Martin, don't for a second think that people aren't seeing your contributions for the code. Every contribution is obviously equally valuable, though it's true, many often go unnoticed. You are doing awesome work, and while I also don't have access to Sun's budget, I hope those contributions would be recognized more over time. Sorry that this has been a frustrating time for you and your contributions. I don't know what to say about that, only that you are a very obvious hero in my book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin, don&#8217;t for a second think that people aren&#8217;t seeing your contributions for the code. Every contribution is obviously equally valuable, though it&#8217;s true, many often go unnoticed. You are doing awesome work, and while I also don&#8217;t have access to Sun&#8217;s budget, I hope those contributions would be recognized more over time. Sorry that this has been a frustrating time for you and your contributions. I don&#8217;t know what to say about that, only that you are a very obvious hero in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Bochnig</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2007/09/21/indiana-update/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Bochnig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 20:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2007/09/21/indiana-update/#comment-78</guid>
		<description>Glynn, Moinak, Alan, all,

in my case it was simply that most people apparently thought, I would never come up to all my announcements and promises. They probably didn't know of/about my involvement, because few people appear to be subscribed to xwin-discuss.
This combined with my previous mis-conception, you all at Sun would still be living in a land, where milk and honey flow, plus above Blog, which I had been misunderstanding during a minute of "seeing black", made me write that message.
I clearly could have chosen a more intelligent way of telling people that I'm also working as much, as they do, too.

Well ... fortunately did nobody kill me instantly, but people have given me the chance to defend myself.

Thank you,
%martin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glynn, Moinak, Alan, all,</p>
<p>in my case it was simply that most people apparently thought, I would never come up to all my announcements and promises. They probably didn&#8217;t know of/about my involvement, because few people appear to be subscribed to xwin-discuss.<br />
This combined with my previous mis-conception, you all at Sun would still be living in a land, where milk and honey flow, plus above Blog, which I had been misunderstanding during a minute of &#8220;seeing black&#8221;, made me write that message.<br />
I clearly could have chosen a more intelligent way of telling people that I&#8217;m also working as much, as they do, too.</p>
<p>Well &#8230; fortunately did nobody kill me instantly, but people have given me the chance to defend myself.</p>
<p>Thank you,<br />
%martin</p>
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		<title>By: gman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2007/09/21/indiana-update/#comment-77</link>
		<dc:creator>gman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2007/09/21/indiana-update/#comment-77</guid>
		<description>Martin, quite frankly, grow up. There are no 1st, 2nd or 3rd places in any of my blog entry. I was pointing out a bunch of people who have all done great work, yourself included. If you can't see that, maybe you are better off working in another community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin, quite frankly, grow up. There are no 1st, 2nd or 3rd places in any of my blog entry. I was pointing out a bunch of people who have all done great work, yourself included. If you can&#8217;t see that, maybe you are better off working in another community.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Bochnig</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2007/09/21/indiana-update/#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Bochnig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2007/09/21/indiana-update/#comment-74</guid>
		<description>I am the initiator of what now has become "Project FOX"&#62;
I have ported Xorg's bus scanning and (former) Linux-only drivers to Solaris_sparc.

And yet I only come in 3rd place???

Adding a few client programs or libs to Alan's framework of Makefiles only takes a few hours.
If you don't believe me, ask for exact details.

Apparently it is not worth doing anything difficult at low level. The credits and all the praise will always go towards what is mainstream, whether much or difficult work had been involved, or not.

Thank you so much, I will leave the FOX thing, because my work, effort and investment is not being recognized.
It is a joke to compare my work with adding a few client things to Alan's Makefiles. I have enough of how the OpenSolaris "system" treats me. I never saw a Cent. Okay. But then I would at least like to get the credits I deserve, no more, no less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the initiator of what now has become &#8220;Project FOX&#8221;&gt;<br />
I have ported Xorg&#8217;s bus scanning and (former) Linux-only drivers to Solaris_sparc.</p>
<p>And yet I only come in 3rd place???</p>
<p>Adding a few client programs or libs to Alan&#8217;s framework of Makefiles only takes a few hours.<br />
If you don&#8217;t believe me, ask for exact details.</p>
<p>Apparently it is not worth doing anything difficult at low level. The credits and all the praise will always go towards what is mainstream, whether much or difficult work had been involved, or not.</p>
<p>Thank you so much, I will leave the FOX thing, because my work, effort and investment is not being recognized.<br />
It is a joke to compare my work with adding a few client things to Alan&#8217;s Makefiles. I have enough of how the OpenSolaris &#8220;system&#8221; treats me. I never saw a Cent. Okay. But then I would at least like to get the credits I deserve, no more, no less.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Wielaard</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2007/09/21/indiana-update/#comment-64</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Wielaard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2007/09/21/indiana-update/#comment-64</guid>
		<description>&#62; The JRE is still under investigation. One of the design goals of the packages is to make sure they are 100% re-distributable.

We made a fully bootstrappable and redistributable version of the JRE available that only depends on Free Software:
http://icedtea.classpath.org/
It is based on OpenJDK with the binary blobs replaced with code from GNU Classpath and a patched build system so that you can use gcj to build it all from scratch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; The JRE is still under investigation. One of the design goals of the packages is to make sure they are 100% re-distributable.</p>
<p>We made a fully bootstrappable and redistributable version of the JRE available that only depends on Free Software:<br />
<a href="http://icedtea.classpath.org/" rel="nofollow">http://icedtea.classpath.org/</a><br />
It is based on OpenJDK with the binary blobs replaced with code from GNU Classpath and a patched build system so that you can use gcj to build it all from scratch.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-09-22 &#171; The Wayward Word Press</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2007/09/21/indiana-update/#comment-54</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2007-09-22 &#171; The Wayward Word Press</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 06:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2007/09/21/indiana-update/#comment-54</guid>
		<description>[...] Life is so good, it gets better every day » Blog Archive » Indiana Update There is also an important conference coming in Indianapolis in early October, the first national gathering of educators and open-source, http://www.centerdigitaled.com/conference.php?confid=378 I&#8217;ll be there. (tags: open-source education ubuntu linux open-standards via:sogrady) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Life is so good, it gets better every day » Blog Archive » Indiana Update There is also an important conference coming in Indianapolis in early October, the first national gathering of educators and open-source, <a href="http://www.centerdigitaled.com/conference.php?confid=378" rel="nofollow">http://www.centerdigitaled.com/conference.php?confid=378</a> I&#8217;ll be there. (tags: open-source education ubuntu linux open-standards via:sogrady) [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Dmitri Trembovetski</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2007/09/21/indiana-update/#comment-53</link>
		<dc:creator>Dmitri Trembovetski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2007/09/21/indiana-update/#comment-53</guid>
		<description>Motif toolkit went away in jdk7 (see 6463431)..

Dmitri</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Motif toolkit went away in jdk7 (see 6463431)..</p>
<p>Dmitri</p>
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