Comments on: GNOME Handbagging

By: gman

gman — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:09:43 +0000

Simon: this has *nothing* to do with Microsoft. It’s a totally separate issue. This is about one person being a dick to another, and expressing himself in a completely un-constructive manner. I doubt anyone has subverted it to Microsoft’s interests currently. Mono is not yet an official platform in GNOME, though people should of course feel free to using the technology any way they like, just like any other open source or free software project.

By: Simon

Simon — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:12:02 +0000

GNOME has been, for quite some time, the primary conduit of proprietary and patent-encumbered Microsoft technologies into the world of free software.

The GNOME foundation is a Microsoft ally. For every Microsoft attack initative, there are willing GNOME sycophants to do their dirty work;

Miguel to cut the code.

Jody to advocate on Microsoft’s behalf to standards bodies.

..and of course, the despicably self-serving Jeff Waugh, with his sneering contempt for the users and the community, trying to convince all of us that serving Microsoft’s goals really is for the best.

The cacophany of voices raised against GNOME include luminaries like Stallman, Cox and PJ in forums such as gnome-foundation and odf-discuss - all of whom have been treated to the same sneering contempt GNOME users are treated with by the despicable Jeff Waugh.

Finally, someone within GNOME is reflecting what those outside the project have been clamouring for several years, attempting to save the project from those that have subverted it to Microsoft’s interests. Good work Murray and shame on you Glynn for coming in on the side of wrong.

By: Lukas

Lukas — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:17:23 +0000

For me as an outsider (and long time user of gnome … you guys rock. all.): I was shocked when I saw Murrays post, and my immediate thinking was: this was working for a long time in him and it had to come out at some time. He used personal attacks, yes, but whats more important: He started a real discussion. I mean, really: I only read the planet, not the lists, and there’s no flamewar going on at the moment (I had expected there’d be one), there is a discussion going with opinions. I believe that was badly needed. It looks to me like Gnome’s getting adult, actually
If I’d were to vote, I’d vote for both just to get them work together again and sort things out.

By: Quim

Quim — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:03:18 +0000

I agree with you that Murray is falling into personal attacks and I would never use those type of words against anybody publically (nor I use them in private critique either, not my style).

Still I think we have a problem with critique and self-critique, and still I think Murray and anybody else has the right to make critique in the way they think it’s best as part of the discussion in the GNOME Foundation. These were the only points I wanted to make.

My first thought was to stay silent, this is always the easiest.

By: anonymous

anonymous — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:41:19 +0000

Thank you so much for pointing this out. Actually I think that Jeff should file a law suit against Murray - very easy to win in Germany, getting him $10.000+ indemnification. I’m just surprised to see how many people don’t get that. Most surprising is that Luis Villa -who studies law- doesn’t get that.

Second interesting thing is that Murray even dares to mention that he himself wrote a code of conduct. So he is one of “the good ones” by definition?