Comments on: Post Indiana Developer Preview 2

By: UX-admin

UX-admin — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:57:11 +0000

“GNU tools are not Linux tools they are *nix tools that can be just as useful on Solaris and on BSD and Linux”

GNU stands for “GNU is Not UNIX”. And it’s not. Everything else is propaganda.

I *hate* Linux because of GNU; it’s non-standard garbage. I want System V, and Indiana is setting GNU as the default (/bin/bash? Who’s bringing the gasoline? I’ll bring the rope!)

By: gman

gman — Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:06:39 +0000

Mads: I disagree. Binary compatibility is massively important for Solaris, however there’s going to have to be compromises to that that will be carefully thought out. OpenSolaris (Project Indiana) provides the *perfect* environment to be able to change things around, so we really can get it absolutely nailed for Solaris. Don’t dismiss things just yet, it’s way too premature.

By: Mads

Mads — Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:54:06 +0000

@che:
Ian has declared that Indiana will eventually become solaris.next (go see advocacy-discuss@opensolaris earlier this month for details). If he gets his way, then the current direction of indiana spells doom for the forward compatibility guarantee.

By: Ché

Ché — Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:08:38 +0000

@ UX-admin
GNU tools are not Linux tools they are *nix tools that can be just as useful on Solaris and on BSD and Linux

Gnome is not the Linux desktop, it is a desktop for *nix’s…including Solaris just because you don’t want a well integrated Gnome desktop on Solaris doesn’t mean there aren’t others that do. If you don’t want to use it then don’t, no one is forcing you to.

By: UX-admin

UX-admin — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:41:18 +0000

“Personally I wanted a polished desktop opensolaris, Indiana fulfils that need for me and many others…”

But there are ways to have a polished desktop without Solaris trying to immitate something that he is not, something that he should never become.

Otherwise, like you wrote, we might just be indirectly forced to forget Solaris and install the original, which in this case would be that “something”, namely Linux.

By: Ché Kristo

Ché Kristo — Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:14:59 +0000

@Mads
As an enterprise customer you will continue to receive support for many years to come on Solaris 10. Please look at http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/lifecycle.xml for more info on this.

As for Indiana killing the compatability I think you are being alittle bit sesationalist.
first of all Indiana does not claim to be a GA release of Solaris and never has, if Sun wish to base Solaris.Next on Indiana they may choose to maintain compatability.
From a business perspective it would be suicide to their *very large* legacy market, for this reason I doubt Solaris.next will be breaking ABI’s and API’s that you have relied upon until now.

And as to why you don’t see the point of Indiana. If you want Linux then go ahead and install it. Personally I wanted a polished desktop opensolaris, Indiana fulfils that need for me and many others…

By: nacho

nacho — Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:52:46 +0000

I don’t really see where the naming controversy can affect Indiana from en engineering and technological perspective; it really shouldn’t.
I like many others are not against an Opensolaris binary distribution, the technology behind Indiana is not the problem and I am in fact happy with what I’ve seen so far, it is enough to say that I’m using it to write this lines. I am against the way we reached this state, we were forced to it, we didn’t get here because this was the natural evolutionary path (it might or might not have been eventually, i don’t know)
so all I ask is, stop using the Opensolaris name, let us finish the trademark discussion as a community, let us create a policy and feel free to get involved, ask permission to use the name, and if the community is ok with it, then go for it but no sooner than that
In any case, thanks for the great effort, I look forward to seeing great things in Indiana and I also really hope you get another term as part of the OGB

By: Mads

Mads — Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:32:03 +0000

As a Solaris proper / enterprise customer, I can’t help but to hope Indiana will be killed off quickly rather than becoming solaris.next as Ian has threatened.
Why this is a problem? because Indiana strays far from Solaris thus killing the compatibility contract making the impact of Indiana similar to what happened when HP decided to kill off mips.
(on a personal note, I really just don’t see the point in Indiana - if I’d wanted linux, that’s what I’d be installing).