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	<title>Comments on: OpenSolaris 2008.11 Problem Statement</title>
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	<description>Glynn Foster . OpenSolaris . Ireland . GNOME . Climbing . New Zealand . Brewing . Blog</description>
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		<title>By: rman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2008/07/30/opensolaris-200811-problem-statement/comment-page-1/#comment-403</link>
		<dc:creator>rman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eclipse on OpenSolaris for many people will only be viable when it supports visual GUI building, either using one of the available builds of Eclipse VEP for 3.4 (e.g. http://www.ehecht.com/eclipse_ve/ve.html) or even better, if it becomes supported by Instantiations for their WindowBuilder Pro.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eclipse on OpenSolaris for many people will only be viable when it supports visual GUI building, either using one of the available builds of Eclipse VEP for 3.4 (e.g. <a href="http://www.ehecht.com/eclipse_ve/ve.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ehecht.com/eclipse_ve/ve.html</a>) or even better, if it becomes supported by Instantiations for their WindowBuilder Pro.</p>
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		<title>By: gman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2008/07/30/opensolaris-200811-problem-statement/comment-page-1/#comment-376</link>
		<dc:creator>gman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Florin: Good idea - will check it out. I know there&#039;s been some degree of support to add CPU frequency scaling. The recently integrated GNOME power management utilities include this, AFAIK.

Hervé: good ideas, thanks! (some of which are already included, but perhaps not specifically called out). Don&#039;t think we&#039;re going to be able to leverage Network Manager, since the underlying layer is so different to that of OpenSolaris. I know the NWAM guys are looking at something pretty similar from a UI point of view - check out http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/nwam/ and their mockups.

andrewk: Yep, I think someone&#039;s already started to look at Happy Face - here&#039;s hoping some derivative of that is possible. I know there&#039;s a dependency on getting Virtual Consoles landed so you can get to the console if all else fails.

Rahul: I&#039;d personally *love* to see an IPS backend for PackageKit, and having a quick look of the code it doesn&#039;t seem that hard. I wonder if the underlying concepts that IPS introduces map to the existing PackageKit assumptions? Will check out Plymouth though - thanks for the tip!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Florin: Good idea &#8211; will check it out. I know there&#8217;s been some degree of support to add CPU frequency scaling. The recently integrated GNOME power management utilities include this, AFAIK.</p>
<p>Hervé: good ideas, thanks! (some of which are already included, but perhaps not specifically called out). Don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re going to be able to leverage Network Manager, since the underlying layer is so different to that of OpenSolaris. I know the NWAM guys are looking at something pretty similar from a UI point of view &#8211; check out <a href="http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/nwam/" rel="nofollow">http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/nwam/</a> and their mockups.</p>
<p>andrewk: Yep, I think someone&#8217;s already started to look at Happy Face &#8211; here&#8217;s hoping some derivative of that is possible. I know there&#8217;s a dependency on getting Virtual Consoles landed so you can get to the console if all else fails.</p>
<p>Rahul: I&#8217;d personally *love* to see an IPS backend for PackageKit, and having a quick look of the code it doesn&#8217;t seem that hard. I wonder if the underlying concepts that IPS introduces map to the existing PackageKit assumptions? Will check out Plymouth though &#8211; thanks for the tip!</p>
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		<title>By: gman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2008/07/30/opensolaris-200811-problem-statement/comment-page-1/#comment-375</link>
		<dc:creator>gman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter: I think &#039;out of the box&#039; is going to be hard, and may hinder the opportunity of a re-distributable install image. Unfortunately any other plan is going to hinder the user experience a great deal. It&#039;s a no-win situation it seems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter: I think &#8216;out of the box&#8217; is going to be hard, and may hinder the opportunity of a re-distributable install image. Unfortunately any other plan is going to hinder the user experience a great deal. It&#8217;s a no-win situation it seems.</p>
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		<title>By: gman</title>
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		<dc:creator>gman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James: almost certainly not, and likely it may only be 3.4. I&#039;m not sure to what degree the 4.x series is in terms of maturity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James: almost certainly not, and likely it may only be 3.4. I&#8217;m not sure to what degree the 4.x series is in terms of maturity.</p>
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		<title>By: James Mansion</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2008/07/30/opensolaris-200811-problem-statement/comment-page-1/#comment-373</link>
		<dc:creator>James Mansion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DSK-7: KDE 4.1 is released now.  Is there any point targetting 4.0?</description>
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		<title>By: herrib</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2008/07/30/opensolaris-200811-problem-statement/comment-page-1/#comment-372</link>
		<dc:creator>herrib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Few more things ...

NET:

The boxes (DSL connection + support of a small network) are largely deployed in Europe. Multi equipment is also a basic fact.

It could be therefore of great interest to provide enhanced tools to set up and monitor samba services:

* printer management (system-config-printer, in which Fedora is deeply involved, is a good example whereas Solaris Print Manager cannot be used out of the box to configure shared printers throughout Samba ...),
* discovery / management of networks (smbk4  like tools) ,
* configuration tools (see for instance system-config-samba -Fedora-).

DSK:

Services management could be improved (see for instance what system-config-services -Fedora- provides) in order to provide some more information concerning the services (explanation, status ...) and to allow their management runlevel by runlevel.</description>
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<p>NET:</p>
<p>The boxes (DSL connection + support of a small network) are largely deployed in Europe. Multi equipment is also a basic fact.</p>
<p>It could be therefore of great interest to provide enhanced tools to set up and monitor samba services:</p>
<p>* printer management (system-config-printer, in which Fedora is deeply involved, is a good example whereas Solaris Print Manager cannot be used out of the box to configure shared printers throughout Samba &#8230;),<br />
* discovery / management of networks (smbk4  like tools) ,<br />
* configuration tools (see for instance system-config-samba -Fedora-).</p>
<p>DSK:</p>
<p>Services management could be improved (see for instance what system-config-services -Fedora- provides) in order to provide some more information concerning the services (explanation, status &#8230;) and to allow their management runlevel by runlevel.</p>
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		<title>By: Rahul Sundaram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rahul Sundaram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also system-config-printer for printer management, provide a ips backend for PackageKit and so on. In short, there is a lot of stuff you can cherry pick from Linux distributions. If you need more detailed ideas, feel free to email me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also system-config-printer for printer management, provide a ips backend for PackageKit and so on. In short, there is a lot of stuff you can cherry pick from Linux distributions. If you need more detailed ideas, feel free to email me.</p>
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		<title>By: Rahul Sundaram</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2008/07/30/opensolaris-200811-problem-statement/comment-page-1/#comment-367</link>
		<dc:creator>Rahul Sundaram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://freedesktop.org/software/plymouth/releases/ for graphical boot might be useful to look at</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://freedesktop.org/software/plymouth/releases/" rel="nofollow">http://freedesktop.org/software/plymouth/releases/</a> for graphical boot might be useful to look at</p>
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		<title>By: gman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/gman/2008/07/30/opensolaris-200811-problem-statement/comment-page-1/#comment-366</link>
		<dc:creator>gman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(and I&#039;ve contacted both Hugo and Tim offline about this)</description>
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		<title>By: gman</title>
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		<dc:creator>gman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris: By the looks of http://code.google.com/p/solipse/wiki/BasicHowToBuild it looks like they&#039;re making steady progress on it. It would be real good to leverage their work, and get both Hugo and Tim involved in pushing it into pkg.opensolaris.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris: By the looks of <a href="http://code.google.com/p/solipse/wiki/BasicHowToBuild" rel="nofollow">http://code.google.com/p/solipse/wiki/BasicHowToBuild</a> it looks like they&#8217;re making steady progress on it. It would be real good to leverage their work, and get both Hugo and Tim involved in pushing it into pkg.opensolaris.org</p>
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