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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2008/09/09/fedora-forums/comment-page-1/#comment-701</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>agree with a lot of the discussion here and lol at the forum people.

i had a very upsetting run-in with the #fedora people recently so i guess it&#039;s a similar story there.  i used to enjoy helping people there and was willing to spend a lot of time on it.  i think i was giving good quality answers and i think they were appreciated.  now i feel inclined to avoid the channel like the plague.

i think fedora should take a very careful look at all the communications channels carrying the fedora brand name.  especially those it recommends as primary contact points through the wiki.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agree with a lot of the discussion here and lol at the forum people.</p>
<p>i had a very upsetting run-in with the #fedora people recently so i guess it&#8217;s a similar story there.  i used to enjoy helping people there and was willing to spend a lot of time on it.  i think i was giving good quality answers and i think they were appreciated.  now i feel inclined to avoid the channel like the plague.</p>
<p>i think fedora should take a very careful look at all the communications channels carrying the fedora brand name.  especially those it recommends as primary contact points through the wiki.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2008/09/09/fedora-forums/comment-page-1/#comment-648</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think fedora should consider removing their endorsement of fedoraforums.org as a place to go for help. These sort-of sites are just mouth pieces for the peanut gallery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think fedora should consider removing their endorsement of fedoraforums.org as a place to go for help. These sort-of sites are just mouth pieces for the peanut gallery.</p>
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		<title>By: Daeng Bo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2008/09/09/fedora-forums/comment-page-1/#comment-605</link>
		<dc:creator>Daeng Bo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel for you. It&#039;s a shame that you got banned, and it looks like they&#039;ve gone the extra mile to delete your entire profile.

I don&#039;t help in forums that often, only the Debian ones a couple of times a week. I spend most of my time answering (to me) idiotic questions on my own blog. Meh.

I miss the days when &quot;RTFM,&quot; &quot;Have you filed a bug?&quot; &quot;You know you can code it yourself,&quot; and &quot;Google it!&quot; were acceptable answers for obvious questions or silly requests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel for you. It&#8217;s a shame that you got banned, and it looks like they&#8217;ve gone the extra mile to delete your entire profile.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t help in forums that often, only the Debian ones a couple of times a week. I spend most of my time answering (to me) idiotic questions on my own blog. Meh.</p>
<p>I miss the days when &#8220;RTFM,&#8221; &#8220;Have you filed a bug?&#8221; &#8220;You know you can code it yourself,&#8221; and &#8220;Google it!&#8221; were acceptable answers for obvious questions or silly requests.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2008/09/09/fedora-forums/comment-page-1/#comment-604</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t use packagekit, and honestly don&#039;t give two hoots about it.

There is no problem with what Mr. Hughes did here. If Fedora doesn&#039;t want people to post in older posts, set the software up correctly to not allow posts on topics that haven&#039;t had a reply for X amount of days. It honestly is not that hard.

It&#039;s great that a dev actually cares enough about a project to attempt to help people out.

Not all forums are run like Fedora&#039;s. Though it is becoming more and more popular. It&#039;s like everyone is losing their nut sacks or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t use packagekit, and honestly don&#8217;t give two hoots about it.</p>
<p>There is no problem with what Mr. Hughes did here. If Fedora doesn&#8217;t want people to post in older posts, set the software up correctly to not allow posts on topics that haven&#8217;t had a reply for X amount of days. It honestly is not that hard.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s great that a dev actually cares enough about a project to attempt to help people out.</p>
<p>Not all forums are run like Fedora&#8217;s. Though it is becoming more and more popular. It&#8217;s like everyone is losing their nut sacks or something.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2008/09/09/fedora-forums/comment-page-1/#comment-603</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If forums wanted dead posts to die off after a few days, why don&#039;t they just lock or archive them when they fall off the front page?

God I hate forums.  There are a zillion random rules to work around the limits of garbage technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If forums wanted dead posts to die off after a few days, why don&#8217;t they just lock or archive them when they fall off the front page?</p>
<p>God I hate forums.  There are a zillion random rules to work around the limits of garbage technology.</p>
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		<title>By: John (J5) Palmieri</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2008/09/09/fedora-forums/comment-page-1/#comment-602</link>
		<dc:creator>John (J5) Palmieri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forums are just a bad communications device.  It is like a party line.  From what I saw of the posts it came down to Wayne not liking Richard.  In fact some of those month old posts I though I saw a user reply, thanks for the tips.  

I assume if a question is not answered people would still like it to be.  If the mods don&#039;t want old posts to be brought up to the top they should be able to lock threads by date.  It is poor form to &quot;fix&quot; crappy software with arbitrary &quot;rules&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forums are just a bad communications device.  It is like a party line.  From what I saw of the posts it came down to Wayne not liking Richard.  In fact some of those month old posts I though I saw a user reply, thanks for the tips.  </p>
<p>I assume if a question is not answered people would still like it to be.  If the mods don&#8217;t want old posts to be brought up to the top they should be able to lock threads by date.  It is poor form to &#8220;fix&#8221; crappy software with arbitrary &#8220;rules&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: z</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2008/09/09/fedora-forums/comment-page-1/#comment-601</link>
		<dc:creator>z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regular users of a forum certainly do NOT want to see months old threads back on the main page, burying the new stuff. The people who actually talk on a forum are not using google to find threads, you know. What you have done is like spam for the regular users. They go on the main page to see what&#039;s new only to find your self-centered unearthing of dead threads. 

A forum works like this, when you post a message in a thread, it keeps it on the main page, staying alive. If it&#039;s buried 3 or more pages after the main one, it&#039;s dead meat, only there for someone who wants to look at old stuff. If you post something on an old thread you bring it back on the main page, do it many times and you are just spamming stuff no one actually wants because if they wanted to continue the discussion they wouldn&#039;t have let it die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regular users of a forum certainly do NOT want to see months old threads back on the main page, burying the new stuff. The people who actually talk on a forum are not using google to find threads, you know. What you have done is like spam for the regular users. They go on the main page to see what&#8217;s new only to find your self-centered unearthing of dead threads. </p>
<p>A forum works like this, when you post a message in a thread, it keeps it on the main page, staying alive. If it&#8217;s buried 3 or more pages after the main one, it&#8217;s dead meat, only there for someone who wants to look at old stuff. If you post something on an old thread you bring it back on the main page, do it many times and you are just spamming stuff no one actually wants because if they wanted to continue the discussion they wouldn&#8217;t have let it die.</p>
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		<title>By: James Cape</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2008/09/09/fedora-forums/comment-page-1/#comment-599</link>
		<dc:creator>James Cape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;ve since scrubbed all your posts...

It&#039;s just EFNet or USENET all over again, why bother dealing with people who&#039;s core issue is not actually technical?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;ve since scrubbed all your posts&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just EFNet or USENET all over again, why bother dealing with people who&#8217;s core issue is not actually technical?</p>
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		<title>By: david.chalkskeletons.com &#187; scum and villiany or &#8216;group think&#8217; - I am not sure what is a better title?</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2008/09/09/fedora-forums/comment-page-1/#comment-598</link>
		<dc:creator>david.chalkskeletons.com &#187; scum and villiany or &#8216;group think&#8217; - I am not sure what is a better title?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fun was a fedora developer getting banned from the fedora forum, high drama indeed. As I am not a teenager or socially inept (this is probably debatable) I tend to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] fun was a fedora developer getting banned from the fedora forum, high drama indeed. As I am not a teenager or socially inept (this is probably debatable) I tend to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jani Mikkonen</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2008/09/09/fedora-forums/comment-page-1/#comment-597</link>
		<dc:creator>Jani Mikkonen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>QUOTE:
We also do not permit public discussion, review, or debate about administrative decisions, as is clearly stated in the guidelines. Please (re)read them before posting again: http://www.fedoraforum.org/?view=guide

Interesting, in the light that  administration is publicly free to bash anyone if they feel that &quot;anyone&quot; deserves it..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QUOTE:<br />
We also do not permit public discussion, review, or debate about administrative decisions, as is clearly stated in the guidelines. Please (re)read them before posting again: <a href="http://www.fedoraforum.org/?view=guide" rel="nofollow">http://www.fedoraforum.org/?view=guide</a></p>
<p>Interesting, in the light that  administration is publicly free to bash anyone if they feel that &#8220;anyone&#8221; deserves it..</p>
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