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		<title>By: Diego</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/03/05/application-installing/comment-page-1/#comment-1059</link>
		<dc:creator>Diego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to inform you, KPowerSave has been replaced by Power Devil starting from KDE 4.2:
http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/PowerDevil?content=85078
http://vizzzion.org/?blogentry=831</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to inform you, KPowerSave has been replaced by Power Devil starting from KDE 4.2:<br />
<a href="http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/PowerDevil?content=85078" rel="nofollow">http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/PowerDevil?content=85078</a><br />
<a href="http://vizzzion.org/?blogentry=831" rel="nofollow">http://vizzzion.org/?blogentry=831</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peng&#8217;s links for Friday, 13 Mar &#171; I&#8217;m Just an Avatar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/03/05/application-installing/comment-page-1/#comment-1057</link>
		<dc:creator>Peng&#8217;s links for Friday, 13 Mar &#171; I&#8217;m Just an Avatar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Richard Hughes: Application installing [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/03/05/application-installing/comment-page-1/#comment-1056</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Zygmunt Krynicki: OK so I argue that not all users will be online, you argue that the majority will be... should such arguments perhaps be deferred until some statistics are compiled? We&#039;re both making assumptions and could be completely wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/03/05/application-installing/#comment-1037">Zygmunt Krynicki</a>: OK so I argue that not all users will be online, you argue that the majority will be&#8230; should such arguments perhaps be deferred until some statistics are compiled? We&#8217;re both making assumptions and could be completely wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrys</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/03/05/application-installing/comment-page-1/#comment-1048</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks less than useful from an always-in-development distro point of view. There&#039;s just no way we&#039;ll find man power to install thousands of packages every month and we certainly don&#039;t want tp force people to re-download packages with size close to openoffice.

As others mentiones, create an online service with a well-defined API to both download and upload (merge) distro-specific data. As for the offline clients (we won&#039;t really care about these) make it possible for devs to download an SQLite 3 snapshot with packages just for that single distro. Icons are not important - if there&#039;s no network link you have bigger concerns than missing OpenOffice icons in the installer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks less than useful from an always-in-development distro point of view. There&#8217;s just no way we&#8217;ll find man power to install thousands of packages every month and we certainly don&#8217;t want tp force people to re-download packages with size close to openoffice.</p>
<p>As others mentiones, create an online service with a well-defined API to both download and upload (merge) distro-specific data. As for the offline clients (we won&#8217;t really care about these) make it possible for devs to download an SQLite 3 snapshot with packages just for that single distro. Icons are not important &#8211; if there&#8217;s no network link you have bigger concerns than missing OpenOffice icons in the installer.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaute Lindkvist</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/03/05/application-installing/comment-page-1/#comment-1047</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaute Lindkvist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jef Spaleta:
Yes. Fedora seems to be a bit of an exception, but I still only see a 20% increase in the number of packages added over 1.5 years for Fedora 9. Devel is obviously a different beast, but this is not an end user version.

I see hughsie updated his numbers to 20Mb for the icons. Downloading this on the fly will take approximately 5 minutes on a fairly common 0.5 Mbit connection or easily an hour on dial-up. Not really feasible imo, even if you do something clever about the order in which you download these icons. This needs to appear instant to users.

If the initial 20Mb of icons are pre-cached in a package (possible to remove if you don&#039;t want them), then updating them every time there is a new package online is not a problem. Even in the most extreme case that you install Fedora 9 now and have 1.5 years of package additions to update for it will still only be about 4Mb. This can download in the background while you start the service, filling in the blanks as you go along. It should only take 1 minute on a 0.5 Mbit connection, or not much more than 10 minutes on dialup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jef Spaleta:<br />
Yes. Fedora seems to be a bit of an exception, but I still only see a 20% increase in the number of packages added over 1.5 years for Fedora 9. Devel is obviously a different beast, but this is not an end user version.</p>
<p>I see hughsie updated his numbers to 20Mb for the icons. Downloading this on the fly will take approximately 5 minutes on a fairly common 0.5 Mbit connection or easily an hour on dial-up. Not really feasible imo, even if you do something clever about the order in which you download these icons. This needs to appear instant to users.</p>
<p>If the initial 20Mb of icons are pre-cached in a package (possible to remove if you don&#8217;t want them), then updating them every time there is a new package online is not a problem. Even in the most extreme case that you install Fedora 9 now and have 1.5 years of package additions to update for it will still only be about 4Mb. This can download in the background while you start the service, filling in the blanks as you go along. It should only take 1 minute on a 0.5 Mbit connection, or not much more than 10 minutes on dialup.</p>
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		<title>By: hughsie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/03/05/application-installing/comment-page-1/#comment-1046</link>
		<dc:creator>hughsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dave Malcolm:

I wanted to avoid wrapping this in XML, this has to be quick to insert into a database. You are correct I&#039;ll have to define the encoding and stuff, but that should be pretty simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dave Malcolm:</p>
<p>I wanted to avoid wrapping this in XML, this has to be quick to insert into a database. You are correct I&#8217;ll have to define the encoding and stuff, but that should be pretty simple.</p>
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		<title>By: hughsie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/03/05/application-installing/comment-page-1/#comment-1045</link>
		<dc:creator>hughsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nicolas:

About the mirror choke point. I&#039;m not expecting to update this more frequently than every 6 months after a stable distro release like F10. For distros like rawhide it&#039;ll be more often, but that&#039;s not unusual.

Also, the 80Mb was calculated having 4 installed, as the actual data in each repo is only about 20Mb in size.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nicolas:</p>
<p>About the mirror choke point. I&#8217;m not expecting to update this more frequently than every 6 months after a stable distro release like F10. For distros like rawhide it&#8217;ll be more often, but that&#8217;s not unusual.</p>
<p>Also, the 80Mb was calculated having 4 installed, as the actual data in each repo is only about 20Mb in size.</p>
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		<title>By: Igor</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/03/05/application-installing/comment-page-1/#comment-1044</link>
		<dc:creator>Igor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 02:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Translating the specspo package is really painful. It is too big and the translation statistics system always break because of it.

A per package approach is a really good way to go. Besides, the current approach is really not working for everyone:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=487614</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Translating the specspo package is really painful. It is too big and the translation statistics system always break because of it.</p>
<p>A per package approach is a really good way to go. Besides, the current approach is really not working for everyone:<br />
<a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=487614" rel="nofollow">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=487614</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sveinung Kvilhaugsvik</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/03/05/application-installing/comment-page-1/#comment-1043</link>
		<dc:creator>Sveinung Kvilhaugsvik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 01:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean: There is already an “INSTALL FOO” link for webpages that installs packages from the distro&#039;s repository. It&#039;s called the PackageKit plugin. See http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2008/09/09/packagekit-web-plugin/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean: There is already an “INSTALL FOO” link for webpages that installs packages from the distro&#8217;s repository. It&#8217;s called the PackageKit plugin. See <a href="http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2008/09/09/packagekit-web-plugin/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2008/09/09/packagekit-web-plugin/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Leonardo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/03/05/application-installing/comment-page-1/#comment-1042</link>
		<dc:creator>Leonardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 01:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for thinking transdistributionly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for thinking transdistributionly!</p>
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