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	<title>Comments on: Vote Counting and Board Expansion</title>
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		<title>By: Dave neary</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2006/06/06/vote-counting-and-board-expansion/comment-page-1/#comment-168</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave neary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;br/&gt;Hi jamesh,&lt;p/&gt;I actually don&#039;t like the system &quot;N votes for N seats&quot; - it seems much better to have M votes for N seats, where M &lt; N - perhaps much smaller.&lt;p/&gt;Think in terms of preferences - say there are 5 candidates and 3 seats. You may have 2 candidates you like a lot, and no clear preference for the other 3 - your 3rd preference gets as much weight as your first two. If you give everyone fewer choices, then you only get people voting for the candidates they&#039;re passionate about - imagine how the election might have turned out if everyone had only 3 votes for 7 seats. All totals would have been a lot lower, but we would not have people getting &quot;meh&quot; votes.&lt;p/&gt;STV would work well, IMHO, if we could automate counting properly. And if we Aussies and Irish could explain it to all the list-voters and first past the posters :) But in the absence of STV, it seems better to limit the number of ballots people have to ensure that we get people voting for the candidates they really like.&lt;br/&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi jamesh,
<p />I actually don&#8217;t like the system &#8220;N votes for N seats&#8221; &#8211; it seems much better to have M votes for N seats, where M &lt; N &#8211; perhaps much smaller.
<p />Think in terms of preferences &#8211; say there are 5 candidates and 3 seats. You may have 2 candidates you like a lot, and no clear preference for the other 3 &#8211; your 3rd preference gets as much weight as your first two. If you give everyone fewer choices, then you only get people voting for the candidates they&#8217;re passionate about &#8211; imagine how the election might have turned out if everyone had only 3 votes for 7 seats. All totals would have been a lot lower, but we would not have people getting &#8220;meh&#8221; votes.
<p />STV would work well, IMHO, if we could automate counting properly. And if we Aussies and Irish could explain it to all the list-voters and first past the posters <img src='http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  But in the absence of STV, it seems better to limit the number of ballots people have to ensure that we get people voting for the candidates they really like.</p>
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		<title>By: Quim</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2006/06/06/vote-counting-and-board-expansion/comment-page-1/#comment-169</link>
		<dc:creator>Quim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s easy to end up in endless debates about ways of voting (this proposal has been half-discussed before).&lt;p/&gt;Instead, we could:&lt;p/&gt;a) Make sure that there is an interest leaving behing the current system&lt;p/&gt;b) ask for alternatives i.e. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p/&gt;c) in case we get more than one alternative, discuss and choose the right one, based not only on theory but also in practical terms i.e. free software available, functional and stable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s easy to end up in endless debates about ways of voting (this proposal has been half-discussed before).
<p />Instead, we could:
<p />a) Make sure that there is an interest leaving behing the current system
<p />b) ask for alternatives i.e. <br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting</a>
<p />c) in case we get more than one alternative, discuss and choose the right one, based not only on theory but also in practical terms i.e. free software available, functional and stable.</p>
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		<title>By: James Henstridge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2006/06/06/vote-counting-and-board-expansion/comment-page-1/#comment-170</link>
		<dc:creator>James Henstridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David: reducing the number of votes each member gets while keeping the same voting system would only exacerbate the problem of picking a replacement when a board member resigns.&lt;p/&gt;When Luis resigned, I effectively lost one seventh of my vote.  If I had less votes to cast, then I&#039;d have lost even more of my vote.&lt;p/&gt;Quim: you are right.  I should get off my arse and follow through about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David: reducing the number of votes each member gets while keeping the same voting system would only exacerbate the problem of picking a replacement when a board member resigns.
<p />When Luis resigned, I effectively lost one seventh of my vote.  If I had less votes to cast, then I&#8217;d have lost even more of my vote.
<p />Quim: you are right.  I should get off my arse and follow through about this.</p>
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		<title>By: mdgeorge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2006/06/06/vote-counting-and-board-expansion/comment-page-1/#comment-171</link>
		<dc:creator>mdgeorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might be interested in the condorcet internet voting service: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cs.cornell.edu/andru/civs.html&quot;&gt;http://www.cs.cornell.edu/andru/civs.html&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might be interested in the condorcet internet voting service: <a href="http://www.cs.cornell.edu/andru/civs.html">http://www.cs.cornell.edu/andru/civs.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2006/06/06/vote-counting-and-board-expansion/comment-page-1/#comment-172</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quim: Please don&#039;t recommend instant runoff voting; it has many undesirable properties compared to even plain plurality voting, let alone a full preferential system such as Condorcet.&lt;p/&gt;Regarding availability of software, you might consider looking into Devotee, the Debian Vote Engine.  It supports electronic voting based on GPG-signed emails, and excellent generation of reports afterward.  I don&#039;t know if it supports multiple-winner elections, but if not, I suspect support for such would not prove incredibly difficult to add; the well-thought-out design makes development quite straightforward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quim: Please don&#8217;t recommend instant runoff voting; it has many undesirable properties compared to even plain plurality voting, let alone a full preferential system such as Condorcet.
<p />Regarding availability of software, you might consider looking into Devotee, the Debian Vote Engine.  It supports electronic voting based on GPG-signed emails, and excellent generation of reports afterward.  I don&#8217;t know if it supports multiple-winner elections, but if not, I suspect support for such would not prove incredibly difficult to add; the well-thought-out design makes development quite straightforward.</p>
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