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	<title>Comments on: Identifier Reuse in OpenID 2.0</title>
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		<title>By: James Henstridge &#187; OpenID 2.0 Specification Approved</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2007/11/11/openid-identifier-reuse/comment-page-1/#comment-558</link>
		<dc:creator>James Henstridge &#187; OpenID 2.0 Specification Approved</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] stated previously that I think the support for identifier reuse with respect to URL identifiers is a bit lacking.  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] stated previously that I think the support for identifier reuse with respect to URL identifiers is a bit lacking.  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James Henstridge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2007/11/11/openid-identifier-reuse/comment-page-1/#comment-501</link>
		<dc:creator>James Henstridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roman: my understanding is that there are a few things preventing this:

1. the XRI registry probably won&#039;t let you do that.

2. if you could do that, you probably wouldn&#039;t be able to authenticate using the XRI.  This is roughly equivalent to copying the openid.* meta tags from someone else&#039;s web page -- you would be creating a new OpenID for the other user, not creating a way to impersonate them.

You&#039;d be better off asking an XRI expert about this though.  I have not read much about the implementation details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roman: my understanding is that there are a few things preventing this:</p>
<p>1. the XRI registry probably won&#8217;t let you do that.</p>
<p>2. if you could do that, you probably wouldn&#8217;t be able to authenticate using the XRI.  This is roughly equivalent to copying the openid.* meta tags from someone else&#8217;s web page &#8212; you would be creating a new OpenID for the other user, not creating a way to impersonate them.</p>
<p>You&#8217;d be better off asking an XRI expert about this though.  I have not read much about the implementation details.</p>
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		<title>By: Roman Beslik</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2007/11/11/openid-identifier-reuse/comment-page-1/#comment-500</link>
		<dc:creator>Roman Beslik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;If the user registers another XRI pointing at the same persistent identifier, it will be considered equivalent.

Does it mean that I can write under someone’s name? Assuming that I’ve registered an XRI pointing to someone’s persistent identifier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;If the user registers another XRI pointing at the same persistent identifier, it will be considered equivalent.</p>
<p>Does it mean that I can write under someone’s name? Assuming that I’ve registered an XRI pointing to someone’s persistent identifier.</p>
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		<title>By: James Henstridge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2007/11/11/openid-identifier-reuse/comment-page-1/#comment-499</link>
		<dc:creator>James Henstridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Garry: thanks for the info.  That gets rid of the reuse problem, but does not address the renaming issue.

Atom: I do realise that  processing would require an additional round trip -- I said as much in the article.  Given that it wouldn&#039;t affect things in the general case where  is not used, I don&#039;t really agree that this is reason enough to reject it.

For instance, it requires no more round trips than the directed identity mode, and that is included in the specification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Garry: thanks for the info.  That gets rid of the reuse problem, but does not address the renaming issue.</p>
<p>Atom: I do realise that  processing would require an additional round trip &#8212; I said as much in the article.  Given that it wouldn&#8217;t affect things in the general case where  is not used, I don&#8217;t really agree that this is reason enough to reject it.</p>
<p>For instance, it requires no more round trips than the directed identity mode, and that is included in the specification.</p>
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		<title>By: atom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2007/11/11/openid-identifier-reuse/comment-page-1/#comment-498</link>
		<dc:creator>atom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Identifier Recycling is an issue that all large identity providers face, and freeing up desirable usernames that aren&#039;t being actively used is always a high priority. 

Section 11.5.1 of Draft 12 of the OpenID 2.0 spec recommends that OPs assign a unique url fragment to an OpenID url that changes when the OpenID changes ownership.

I believe that if the OP of http://example.com/james responded with http://example.com/id/42, the RP would be required to preform discovery on http://example.com/id/42 to verify that the OP is authorized to make claims about http://example.com/id/42. This will add an extra round trip, adding more latency to the signin process. See section 11.2 for more info. I don&#039;t believe that using url fragments as generation identifiers will require an extra round trip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Identifier Recycling is an issue that all large identity providers face, and freeing up desirable usernames that aren&#8217;t being actively used is always a high priority. </p>
<p>Section 11.5.1 of Draft 12 of the OpenID 2.0 spec recommends that OPs assign a unique url fragment to an OpenID url that changes when the OpenID changes ownership.</p>
<p>I believe that if the OP of <a href="http://example.com/james" rel="nofollow">http://example.com/james</a> responded with <a href="http://example.com/id/42" rel="nofollow">http://example.com/id/42</a>, the RP would be required to preform discovery on <a href="http://example.com/id/42" rel="nofollow">http://example.com/id/42</a> to verify that the OP is authorized to make claims about <a href="http://example.com/id/42" rel="nofollow">http://example.com/id/42</a>. This will add an extra round trip, adding more latency to the signin process. See section 11.2 for more info. I don&#8217;t believe that using url fragments as generation identifiers will require an extra round trip.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Krall</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2007/11/11/openid-identifier-reuse/comment-page-1/#comment-497</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Krall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James:  By way of introduction I am the technical director for the PiP/SeatBelt products here at Verisign.  I read with interest your article and I thought I would share with you what Verisign does.  On the PiP we do not allow identifers to ever be re-used.  Once an identifier has been claimed by a user we never allow for that to be re-issued in the system.

Just thought you&#039;d be interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James:  By way of introduction I am the technical director for the PiP/SeatBelt products here at Verisign.  I read with interest your article and I thought I would share with you what Verisign does.  On the PiP we do not allow identifers to ever be re-used.  Once an identifier has been claimed by a user we never allow for that to be re-issued in the system.</p>
<p>Just thought you&#8217;d be interested.</p>
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		<title>By: James Henstridge</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2007/11/11/openid-identifier-reuse/comment-page-1/#comment-496</link>
		<dc:creator>James Henstridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tassos: I don&#039;t think anything I&#039;ve suggested breaks the &quot;single digital identity&quot; idea of OpenID.

As I said above, the main questions are (1) how to avoid someone else assuming an identity on OPs that allow identifier reuse and (2) on systems that allow a user to change their human-friendly identifier, can the user maintain their identity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tassos: I don&#8217;t think anything I&#8217;ve suggested breaks the &#8220;single digital identity&#8221; idea of OpenID.</p>
<p>As I said above, the main questions are (1) how to avoid someone else assuming an identity on OPs that allow identifier reuse and (2) on systems that allow a user to change their human-friendly identifier, can the user maintain their identity?</p>
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		<title>By: Tassos Bassoukos</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2007/11/11/openid-identifier-reuse/comment-page-1/#comment-495</link>
		<dc:creator>Tassos Bassoukos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 05:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t your solution invalidate one of the major use-cases of OpenID, the &#039;you need only one identifier&#039; one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t your solution invalidate one of the major use-cases of OpenID, the &#8216;you need only one identifier&#8217; one?</p>
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