Comments on: Inkscape Migrated to Launchpad http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2007/11/28/inkscape-migrated-to-launchpad/ Random stuff Sat, 05 Jul 2008 11:31:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: nicu buculei http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2007/11/28/inkscape-migrated-to-launchpad/#comment-534 nicu buculei Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:26:21 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2007/11/28/inkscape-migrated-to-launchpad/#comment-534 When I joined Inkscape I already had a sf.net account. Long ago they were almost the only game in town. And for a particular reason: sf.net is not tied with any distro. When I joined Inkscape I already had a sf.net account. Long ago they were almost the only game in town.
And for a particular reason: sf.net is not tied with any distro.

]]> By: pinky http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2007/11/28/inkscape-migrated-to-launchpad/#comment-532 pinky Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:10:41 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2007/11/28/inkscape-migrated-to-launchpad/#comment-532 @James Henstridge: As i said before i'm also not a fan of sourceforge. This has two reasons. First i don't like it technically (especially in Europe it is often really slow) and second sourceforge isn't complete free software. Personally i don't have a sourceforge account because of my second point. So basically because of my second point i also think it isn't OK to work with sourceforge but i could tolerate it in the sense that a lot of projects started at sourceforge when sourceforge was free. This projects doesn't migrate knowingly to non-free software but get pushed into it. I would of course prefer if these projects would decide to leave sourceforge and migrate to a complete free platform but i could at least tolerate it if they stay for some time because of their "dullness" and not because of their direct decision to use non-free software. But if someone migrates away from sourceforge and choose knowingly non-free software than i think this is a really bad move for a free software project. (I just want to remember Linus decision to use a non-free version control system for Linux. This was the same mistake. And as time has shown he get even punished for it as the right holders decided that they doesn't want Linus to use it for free anymore.) @James Henstridge:

As i said before i’m also not a fan of sourceforge. This has two reasons. First i don’t like it technically (especially in Europe it is often really slow) and second sourceforge isn’t complete free software. Personally i don’t have a sourceforge account because of my second point.

So basically because of my second point i also think it isn’t OK to work with sourceforge but i could tolerate it in the sense that a lot of projects started at sourceforge when sourceforge was free. This projects doesn’t migrate knowingly to non-free software but get pushed into it. I would of course prefer if these projects would decide to leave sourceforge and migrate to a complete free platform but i could at least tolerate it if they stay for some time because of their “dullness” and not because of their direct decision to use non-free software.

But if someone migrates away from sourceforge and choose knowingly non-free software than i think this is a really bad move for a free software project. (I just want to remember Linus decision to use a non-free version control system for Linux. This was the same mistake. And as time has shown he get even punished for it as the right holders decided that they doesn’t want Linus to use it for free anymore.)

]]> By: naisioxerloro http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2007/11/28/inkscape-migrated-to-launchpad/#comment-530 naisioxerloro Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:58:56 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2007/11/28/inkscape-migrated-to-launchpad/#comment-530 Hi. Good design, who make it? Hi.
Good design, who make it?

]]> By: James Henstridge http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2007/11/28/inkscape-migrated-to-launchpad/#comment-528 James Henstridge Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:39:34 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2007/11/28/inkscape-migrated-to-launchpad/#comment-528 pinky, nicu: out of interest, are there particular reasons you find it okay to work with SourceForge.net but not Launchpad? pinky, nicu: out of interest, are there particular reasons you find it okay to work with SourceForge.net but not Launchpad?

]]> By: nicu buculei http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2007/11/28/inkscape-migrated-to-launchpad/#comment-525 nicu buculei Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:29:40 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2007/11/28/inkscape-migrated-to-launchpad/#comment-525 At this step Inkscape lost me as a bug reporter/triager (I used to do this on the sf.net tracker). I won't make a Launchpad account. At this step Inkscape lost me as a bug reporter/triager (I used to do this on the sf.net tracker). I won’t make a Launchpad account.

]]> By: pinky http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2007/11/28/inkscape-migrated-to-launchpad/#comment-524 pinky Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:17:48 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2007/11/28/inkscape-migrated-to-launchpad/#comment-524 I'm completely with Wade Mealing. It is very sad that a free software project migrates to a proprietary development/bug-tracking platform. This puts Inkscape definitely in a bad light. Hope you have thought about it or will think about it. I agree that sourceforge is quite bad. Personally I had never understood how developers and/or users can like sourceforge. But there are other options than non-free software. E.g. savannah, gnome,.... I’m completely with Wade Mealing. It is very sad that a free software project migrates to a proprietary development/bug-tracking platform.

This puts Inkscape definitely in a bad light. Hope you have thought about it or will think about it.

I agree that sourceforge is quite bad. Personally I had never understood how developers and/or users can like sourceforge. But there are other options than non-free software. E.g. savannah, gnome,….

]]> By: James Henstridge http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2007/11/28/inkscape-migrated-to-launchpad/#comment-523 James Henstridge Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:50:50 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2007/11/28/inkscape-migrated-to-launchpad/#comment-523 Wade: the Inkscape developers were not interested in running their own bug tracker (see http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_name=1196184862.7737.20.camel%40shi), so setting up their own Trac instance wasn't on the cards. One of their requirements was an exit strategy, and we do provide XML bug tracker dumps on request from a project owner (we don't currently have an automated process for this though). As for the usability comparison, remember that there are two groups of users for a bug tracker: users and developers. For users, the main features are (1) filing bugs and (2) providing followup information on those bugs. In contrast, a developer needs to work with the entire collection of bugs so good categorisation and search tools are needed. While you may have been satisfied with SF.net from a user perspective, it seems that the Inkscape developers were not satisfied with it from a developer perspective. I hope that you find Launchpad easy to use when filing bugs in the future. Wade: the Inkscape developers were not interested in running their own bug tracker (see http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_name=1196184862.7737.20.camel%40shi), so setting up their own Trac instance wasn’t on the cards.

One of their requirements was an exit strategy, and we do provide XML bug tracker dumps on request from a project owner (we don’t currently have an automated process for this though).

As for the usability comparison, remember that there are two groups of users for a bug tracker: users and developers. For users, the main features are (1) filing bugs and (2) providing followup information on those bugs. In contrast, a developer needs to work with the entire collection of bugs so good categorisation and search tools are needed.

While you may have been satisfied with SF.net from a user perspective, it seems that the Inkscape developers were not satisfied with it from a developer perspective. I hope that you find Launchpad easy to use when filing bugs in the future.

]]> By: Wade Mealing http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2007/11/28/inkscape-migrated-to-launchpad/#comment-522 Wade Mealing Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:26:18 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2007/11/28/inkscape-migrated-to-launchpad/#comment-522 Man, this is horrible ! migrating to a closed source bug tracker. I've used sourceforge to lodge bugs before and it wasn't too hard. But perhaps trac or something similar might have been a better solution, I realise that I'm armchairing here, but I guess that the inkscape coders don't seem to think using free software is so important. Propriatary software wins again ! I keep hearing ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-answers/+bug/50699) that it's going to be liberated, relying on software that -may- become free would have us using xara extreme, but.. I've contributed very little to inkscape, so I guess I don't get a say. Maybe I'm just an unreasonable man, be warned that this migration doesn't cost inkscape contributions from other free software developers. Man, this is horrible ! migrating to a closed source bug tracker. I’ve used sourceforge to lodge bugs before and it wasn’t too hard. But perhaps trac or something similar might have been a better solution, I realise that I’m armchairing here, but I guess that the inkscape coders don’t seem to think using free software is so important. Propriatary software wins again !

I keep hearing ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-answers/+bug/50699) that it’s going to be liberated, relying on software that -may- become free would have us using xara extreme, but.. I’ve contributed very little to inkscape, so I guess I don’t get a say.

Maybe I’m just an unreasonable man, be warned that this migration doesn’t cost inkscape contributions from other free software developers.

]]> By: Peteris Krisjanis http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2007/11/28/inkscape-migrated-to-launchpad/#comment-518 Peteris Krisjanis Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:13:56 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/jamesh/2007/11/28/inkscape-migrated-to-launchpad/#comment-518 Man, this is great that Inkscape will finally use Launchpad bug system. I used Inkscape in few serious projects this year and wanted to report bunch of bugs I encountered, but SF bug system, with all respect to SF's long support of open source, is very hard to use. Launchpad, in other way, are easiest system for this, at least for me. Keepin rocking! Man, this is great that Inkscape will finally use Launchpad bug system. I used Inkscape in few serious projects this year and wanted to report bunch of bugs I encountered, but SF bug system, with all respect to SF’s long support of open source, is very hard to use. Launchpad, in other way, are easiest system for this, at least for me.

Keepin rocking!

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