Comments on: Create the vision http://blogs.gnome.org/johannes/2008/06/10/create-the-vision/ Blog of Johannes Schmid Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:27:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Lucas Rocha » Blog Archive » Notes on the Future of GNOME: Problems and Questions http://blogs.gnome.org/johannes/2008/06/10/create-the-vision/#comment-461 Lucas Rocha » Blog Archive » Notes on the Future of GNOME: Problems and Questions Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:57:53 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/johannes/2008/06/10/create-the-vision/#comment-461 [...] with regards to our beloved project. They overlap in many ways with the opinion of some people who have already commented on the [...] [...] with regards to our beloved project. They overlap in many ways with the opinion of some people who have already commented on the [...]

]]> By: Decadence of the Enterprise Desktop http://blogs.gnome.org/johannes/2008/06/10/create-the-vision/#comment-459 Decadence of the Enterprise Desktop Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:20:35 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/johannes/2008/06/10/create-the-vision/#comment-459 [...] Johannes Schmid - Thinks that it is the right time to start thinking about our next-gen desktop. We should focus more on writing code instead of just talking about visions. Effects should enhance user interaction, not just be flashy. [...] [...] Johannes Schmid - Thinks that it is the right time to start thinking about our next-gen desktop. We should focus more on writing code instead of just talking about visions. Effects should enhance user interaction, not just be flashy. [...]

]]> By: troll http://blogs.gnome.org/johannes/2008/06/10/create-the-vision/#comment-458 troll Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:28:13 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/johannes/2008/06/10/create-the-vision/#comment-458 Telepathy. All the way. Telepathy. All the way.

]]> By: Hohn http://blogs.gnome.org/johannes/2008/06/10/create-the-vision/#comment-457 Hohn Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:08:11 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/johannes/2008/06/10/create-the-vision/#comment-457 Yes, the gnome-panel is totally out of date. It should be a good pilot project for innovation. Yes, the gnome-panel is totally out of date. It should be a good pilot project for innovation.

]]> By: Rob Staudinger http://blogs.gnome.org/johannes/2008/06/10/create-the-vision/#comment-456 Rob Staudinger Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:30:30 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/johannes/2008/06/10/create-the-vision/#comment-456 I'd love to open a bear, but don't have one at hand. I’d love to open a bear, but don’t have one at hand.

]]> By: daniele http://blogs.gnome.org/johannes/2008/06/10/create-the-vision/#comment-455 daniele Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:17:20 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/johannes/2008/06/10/create-the-vision/#comment-455 I totally agree with you, the panel is the first thing that should be enhanced, small things, not the whole compiz mess! I totally agree with you, the panel is the first thing that should be enhanced, small things, not the whole compiz mess!

]]> By: Calum http://blogs.gnome.org/johannes/2008/06/10/create-the-vision/#comment-454 Calum Tue, 10 Jun 2008 23:27:34 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/johannes/2008/06/10/create-the-vision/#comment-454 You're quite right about the effects. Right now we're sort of going through the gaudy, in-your-phase (aka compiz) phase-- GNOME is growing into a brash teenager, albeit a couple of years early :) Apple went through this phase a couple of years ago, and have mostly come out the other side. If you look at OS X today, many of the effects are more subtle, almost subliminal, but make help to make everything feel more fluid. Rotate an image in Preview.app and you see it actually rotate; use the arrow keys to move the cursor in a QuickLook index sheet, and it glides between the files rather than jumping. Nothing flashy, just nice attention to detail and a natural progression from what was there before. You’re quite right about the effects. Right now we’re sort of going through the gaudy, in-your-phase (aka compiz) phase– GNOME is growing into a brash teenager, albeit a couple of years early :) Apple went through this phase a couple of years ago, and have mostly come out the other side.

If you look at OS X today, many of the effects are more subtle, almost subliminal, but make help to make everything feel more fluid. Rotate an image in Preview.app and you see it actually rotate; use the arrow keys to move the cursor in a QuickLook index sheet, and it glides between the files rather than jumping. Nothing flashy, just nice attention to detail and a natural progression from what was there before.

]]> By: Jonas http://blogs.gnome.org/johannes/2008/06/10/create-the-vision/#comment-453 Jonas Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:46:13 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/johannes/2008/06/10/create-the-vision/#comment-453 "Until now, desktop effects are just “effects”, they look spectacular but there is now real need to have them despite impressing your neighbor." I'm not so sure about that. True, most of the effects provided by MacOS X/Compiz/Vista/KDE4 (to various degrees, and especially considering the more outlandish compiz plugins such as Atlantis) are mostly just eye-candy and not necessary in the strictest sense. However, in some cases they do provide extra functionality or ease of use. For example, the desktop cube. Virtual desktops provide the same functionality but I've found it far easier to explain the concept with a more physically real representation of it. “Until now, desktop effects are just “effects”, they look spectacular but there is now real need to have them despite impressing your neighbor.”

I’m not so sure about that. True, most of the effects provided by MacOS X/Compiz/Vista/KDE4 (to various degrees, and especially considering the more outlandish compiz plugins such as Atlantis) are mostly just eye-candy and not necessary in the strictest sense. However, in some cases they do provide extra functionality or ease of use. For example, the desktop cube. Virtual desktops provide the same functionality but I’ve found it far easier to explain the concept with a more physically real representation of it.

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