Always, always, always remember to
git-rebase --continue
Or strange confusing things happen, and if you don’t have experts on hand… FAIL.
(Needless to say, the silly little typo I was trying to rebase away made it into public history after all. Poo.)
zeenix decided to quote me in a recent blog post. My remark was meant to be a light hearted jibe at our obsession with going over and over the same points but never getting anywhere. I failed, but it looks even worse out of context. So lets try this again.
We have ALL heard how Bazaar is so slow you might actually die of old age before you finish checking out your module, and that Git is so hard and voodoo ridden that you will erase your project from history and cause the universe to collapse if you use the wrong incantation.
Both of these arguments are nothing new. They are both very tired, and of questionable correctness in recent versions of both tools. Thats why I didn’t want to hear about them *again*. That doesn’t mean that they aren’t valid concerns, just that covering them again didn’t seem constructive.
As it happens, zeenix posted about how Git is fast. Now some interesting debate is happening over in the comments of that entry, so maybe my poor sense of humour did some good. Note that I never bothered to try and say Bazaar wasn’t slower because i thought it a waste of time and a good way to get flamed, but the people are now saying “hey, Bazaar is actually doing OK”. Yay.
In closing: people, please don’t get upset, i’d never waste my vodka over something like DVCS-wars! Now if this was vim vs emacs…
Federico wrote a nice post about Git. I just wanted to add a few things to it really.
The stronger the better!) Lets show a bit of even handedness and community and not make choosing $DVCS like chosing $EDITOR. Git people, please try out bzr-mirror. Especially merging and branching stuff. Unlike git-svn, you can use bzr-svn as though its a normal, full blown DVCS. Blog about your experiences, let the Bazaar developers what they need to work on. (I will spit my vodka in your eyes if all you come up with is speed). Likewise, the Bazaar folks should try out git-mirror and see if its as good as they say, and tell them which bits of the UI need fixing. What do you find yourself missing?
Mercurial people: Take me to your documentation! What is the standard way to make a Mercurial “mirror” of SVN?
In the next few days I should be taking the lid off a loggerhead instance for bzr-mirror. Of interest is the search, which uses a full text index created by the wonderful bzr-search plugin. It’s pretty impressive.
As I’ve blogged before, the mirrors update in response to the svn-commits mailing list. This means that we don’t have to hammer 520 GNOME modules on a hourly basis. It also means we are nearly always up to date. I’ve tweaked the script that manages this:
You git speed freaks will be pleased to know you can now clone over git://.
cd ~
git clone git://git-mirror.gnome.org/git/conduit
cd conduit
git svn init -s svn+ssh://svn.gnome.org/svn/conduit --prefix=origin/svn/
git svn rebase
Hope you enjoy the extra speed ;-
As most of you know, I run bzr-mirror.gnome.org in my spare time. This was to allow people to try out the awesomeness of Bazaar as easily as possible. As much as I love Bazaar, certain outside forces mean that I sometimes have to use Git. So a few weeks ago when no one had approached bkor to set up git-mirror.gnome.org, I decided I would.
The plan:
All in all it went OK. Here are some things I encountered.
After a week of churning its nice to have my server back to normal load. I still have to try and skin gitweb so that it looks GNOMEy and there are a hundred and one other things bothering me, but now you guys can:
cd ~
git clone http://git-mirror.gnome.org/git/cheese
cd cheese
git svn init -s svn+ssh://svn.gnome.org/svn/cheese --prefix=origin/svn/
git svn rebase
I’m not sure what will happen if you pull from the mirror and from svn.gnome.org. That is the ideal use case IMO (should be faster for you as mirror does the conversion for you). If someone wants to try and let me know how it handles it…
Want a mirror for your $dvcs? Ping me, maybe i’ll give it a go.
Did I get your attention? 
This is just a shout out to let you all know about #gnome-bzr (on irc.gnome.org). If you use Bazaar for your GNOME project, or are thinking of using it, please pop in. You might just get a first look at some of the shiny, shiny things we have in the cooker and that the bzr team are helping us try out. I’ll also be able to help you out with any bzr-mirror related questions, and bzr-svn in general.
We have a few people from #bzr kicking around in there too, feel free to poke them with feature requests. Poke well, we don’t like letting them sleep too long..
Lots of cool things going on. I’ve been name dropped by bkor and jcastro. A few weeks back I went in to York and met pvanhoof, learning much about Belgian politics The following Monday I met robtaylor. We talked about Git, libgitcore, wizbit and Conduit. A few days after that sabdfl called me! He tells me a lot of people have been talking about the Bazaar mirror of GNOME that i set up (bzr-mirror.gnome.org) and he wanted to talk about it.
Woot for meeting new people, and some of my heroes to boot, within GNOME and Ubuntu
A few people have expressed their love for the Bazaar.
I love that when I need to throw something together quick its there waiting for me. Its commands are discoverable. It has a sane API that has led the awesome bzr-svn, and the rather delicious bzr-loom plugins. Where others have frustrated me, Bazaar has been there and has just worked.
If you want to join in the goodness, you can now grab a bazaar branch of any GNOME module trunk with ease, thanks to the bzr mirror I have been working on. It should normally be more up to date than launchpad, and is bzr-svn compatible – so you can push your changes back to svn.gnome.org. There are even some nifty instructions.
Spent the evening playing with network sync with N810 as server, laptop as client. It’s lovely. Looking at the logs its hard to tell what is happening when I try it the other way around but I think I just need to make the hildon version of the GUI a bit more dynamic so it can cope with sections getting added and removed at runtime.
Thomas, I owe you beer
If you want to help out, 0.3.10 is available here, and i’ll see you in #conduit
Sorry, no screenshots. Took a picture with my cameraphone, but it didn’t turn out very well.
If you want to give it a spin for yourself, the details are:
You will also need the Extras and Extras-devel repository.
Refresh your application list and install the conduit package. Among other things, you will get python2.5 and avahi. Its quite a big set of dependencies for now, it will get better when things stable up and we can split the conduit package into conduit-plugin-google etc.
There is a big bug screwing with a lot of dataproviders right now relating to icons. I’ll try to push a patch soon.
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