Comments on: Image Properties in EOG http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/01/24/image-properties-in-eog/ The mustache, the beard and the smile: everything together. Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:31:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Ploum http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/01/24/image-properties-in-eog/comment-page-1/#comment-206 Ploum Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/01/24/image-properties-in-eog/#comment-206 I'm in doubt about this one. I can see one use case that is now not available :<p/>Say that you want to browse all your pictures and EXIF data. With the side pane, you just open it once and the click "next", "next", "next"...<p/>With your solution, for every picture you would have to open the properties dialog (might require a right click) then details. <p/>I personnaly don't be in this usecase but I can understand someone who needs it. I'm also a big properties windows hater ;-)<p/>Anyway, thanks for your work on eog-ng, I'm impatient to see it in distributions. I’m in doubt about this one. I can see one use case that is now not available :

Say that you want to browse all your pictures and EXIF data. With the side pane, you just open it once and the click “next”, “next”, “next”…

With your solution, for every picture you would have to open the properties dialog (might require a right click) then details.

I personnaly don’t be in this usecase but I can understand someone who needs it. I’m also a big properties windows hater ;-)

Anyway, thanks for your work on eog-ng, I’m impatient to see it in distributions.

]]> By: knipknap http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/01/24/image-properties-in-eog/comment-page-1/#comment-207 knipknap Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/01/24/image-properties-in-eog/#comment-207 Cool, the embedded list has been bothering me ever since. Thanks for working on this! Cool, the embedded list has been bothering me ever since. Thanks for working on this!

]]> By: CMoi http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/01/24/image-properties-in-eog/comment-page-1/#comment-208 CMoi Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/01/24/image-properties-in-eog/#comment-208 The sidepane is unfriendly but this allows focusing on the nice girl :) The sidepane is unfriendly but this allows focusing on the nice girl :)

]]> By: Benjamin http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/01/24/image-properties-in-eog/comment-page-1/#comment-209 Benjamin Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/01/24/image-properties-in-eog/#comment-209 I myself found the sidebar to be extremely useful. I agree it was quite cluttered, so a cleanup is indeed a good thing. But don't make the sidebar go away. After all it was a sidewindow, which I just could make disappear if I didn't want it. If I just wanted to see the image, I would be in slideshow-mode anyway!<br/>So I would propose the following: Remember the sidebar-width. So if a user just makes it go away, it stays there and won't bother the people who where bothered with it. <br/> I myself found the sidebar to be extremely useful. I agree it was quite cluttered, so a cleanup is indeed a good thing. But don’t make the sidebar go away. After all it was a sidewindow, which I just could make disappear if I didn’t want it. If I just wanted to see the image, I would be in slideshow-mode anyway!
So I would propose the following: Remember the sidebar-width. So if a user just makes it go away, it stays there and won’t bother the people who where bothered with it.

]]> By: Nil Gradisnik http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/01/24/image-properties-in-eog/comment-page-1/#comment-210 Nil Gradisnik Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/01/24/image-properties-in-eog/#comment-210 @Ploum<br/>Can't you see the Previous/Next buttons ?<p/>I really like this idea and I would leave the sidepane in there too. @Ploum
Can’t you see the Previous/Next buttons ?

I really like this idea and I would leave the sidepane in there too.

]]> By: Lucas Rocha http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/01/24/image-properties-in-eog/comment-page-1/#comment-211 Lucas Rocha Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/01/24/image-properties-in-eog/#comment-211 Hi all, <p/>The advantage of a dialog is that you can place the dialog anywhere you want (even "outside" EOG's window if you have a screen big enough. If not, you can just resize the window to best fit your needs). You have full control over the image list navigation through the dialog therefore you don't need to do the annnoying operation of close-then-open-again for each image.<p/>Please, post your valuable comments in the bug report if you think it's worth.<p/>CMoi: yes, you're right she's a nice girl. This is why I married her. :-) Hi all,

The advantage of a dialog is that you can place the dialog anywhere you want (even “outside” EOG’s window if you have a screen big enough. If not, you can just resize the window to best fit your needs). You have full control over the image list navigation through the dialog therefore you don’t need to do the annnoying operation of close-then-open-again for each image.

Please, post your valuable comments in the bug report if you think it’s worth.

CMoi: yes, you’re right she’s a nice girl. This is why I married her. :-)

]]> By: Stoffe http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/01/24/image-properties-in-eog/comment-page-1/#comment-212 Stoffe Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/01/24/image-properties-in-eog/#comment-212 In general, for all applications of this kind, sidebars are a lot more user friendly; there are no focus problems, no clutter in taskkbar (if it's own window) or lost windows (if not in taskbar), it gives perfect overview in one, collected window and there is no doubt about what is happening or why. <p/>Property dialogs are, in general, unfriendly if you have to use them more than very rarely and this looks about the same.<p/>What sidebars (at least in GNOME) often have as a problem is how they are presented, handled, etc. They need to have good code for how wide they should be, and easy to show/hide. I suppose that could be one reason some people don't like them (in GNOME), because this is often poorly handled. I'd say that would be energy much better spent than moving it to something with obvious(?) usability problems.<p/>The other design decisions with better presentation of EXIF etc. looks very promising though, keep at it. Maybe some info, at the very least date/time taken, should show up already on the general tab? That's one piece of info I often go look for, and it's a bit annoying that it should be on another tab. I would suppose this is interesting to more people than me. :)<p/>Don't kill the sidebar! In general, for all applications of this kind, sidebars are a lot more user friendly; there are no focus problems, no clutter in taskkbar (if it’s own window) or lost windows (if not in taskbar), it gives perfect overview in one, collected window and there is no doubt about what is happening or why.

Property dialogs are, in general, unfriendly if you have to use them more than very rarely and this looks about the same.

What sidebars (at least in GNOME) often have as a problem is how they are presented, handled, etc. They need to have good code for how wide they should be, and easy to show/hide. I suppose that could be one reason some people don’t like them (in GNOME), because this is often poorly handled. I’d say that would be energy much better spent than moving it to something with obvious(?) usability problems.

The other design decisions with better presentation of EXIF etc. looks very promising though, keep at it. Maybe some info, at the very least date/time taken, should show up already on the general tab? That’s one piece of info I often go look for, and it’s a bit annoying that it should be on another tab. I would suppose this is interesting to more people than me. :)

Don’t kill the sidebar!

]]> By: florian http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/01/24/image-properties-in-eog/comment-page-1/#comment-213 florian Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/01/24/image-properties-in-eog/#comment-213 I think it is important that the property dialog does not prevent clicking on the main window. So with it open, you could still browser your picture as always, and the property dialog would just update to match whatever picture is being shown.<br/>In addition, just to make every body happy, what do you think of making it an undockable sidebar. It would work similarly to the actual one, but you could somehow drap it out of the window to turn it into what you're proposing now.<p/>just my 2c I think it is important that the property dialog does not prevent clicking on the main window. So with it open, you could still browser your picture as always, and the property dialog would just update to match whatever picture is being shown.
In addition, just to make every body happy, what do you think of making it an undockable sidebar. It would work similarly to the actual one, but you could somehow drap it out of the window to turn it into what you’re proposing now.

just my 2c

]]> By: uri http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/01/24/image-properties-in-eog/comment-page-1/#comment-214 uri Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/01/24/image-properties-in-eog/#comment-214 Why sidebar vs popup?<br/>isn't better a sidebar that comes up on demand clicking on an icon? (like konqueror)<br/>You would save space and You would avoid to remember a shortcut like ctrl+I, F9,.. <br/><a href="http://www.bengalinux.org/screenshots/kde/konqueror.png">http://www.bengalinux.org/screenshots/kde/konqueror.png</a> Why sidebar vs popup?
isn’t better a sidebar that comes up on demand clicking on an icon? (like konqueror)
You would save space and You would avoid to remember a shortcut like ctrl+I, F9,..
http://www.bengalinux.org/screenshots/kde/konqueror.png

]]> By: Johan http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/01/24/image-properties-in-eog/comment-page-1/#comment-215 Johan Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/01/24/image-properties-in-eog/#comment-215 I for one love what you are doing with EOG, and I can't wait to see it in Feisty(?). Keep up the good work! I for one love what you are doing with EOG, and I can’t wait to see it in Feisty(?). Keep up the good work!

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