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	<title>Comments on: Getting the Message</title>
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		<title>By: Will Woods</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/2009/07/05/getting-the-message/comment-page-1/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this has probably been discussed to death and completely redesigned since GUADEC etc, but I wanted to say two things:

1) One thing confused me in the mockup: there&#039;s no clear transition when a message in &quot;notification mode&quot; is moved to &quot;summary mode&quot;. So it looks like you get a message, which disappears, and then some other unrelated icons pop up for some reason.

I think it would help to animate the message shrinking into its icon, as the icon moves rightward into the &quot;summary&quot; part of the tray. That should help build a stronger connection between the notifications and their summary icons.

2) Other than that, I completely love this design and want it *right now*.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this has probably been discussed to death and completely redesigned since GUADEC etc, but I wanted to say two things:</p>
<p>1) One thing confused me in the mockup: there&#8217;s no clear transition when a message in &#8220;notification mode&#8221; is moved to &#8220;summary mode&#8221;. So it looks like you get a message, which disappears, and then some other unrelated icons pop up for some reason.</p>
<p>I think it would help to animate the message shrinking into its icon, as the icon moves rightward into the &#8220;summary&#8221; part of the tray. That should help build a stronger connection between the notifications and their summary icons.</p>
<p>2) Other than that, I completely love this design and want it *right now*.</p>
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		<title>By: Dread Knight</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/2009/07/05/getting-the-message/comment-page-1/#comment-54</link>
		<dc:creator>Dread Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks awesome :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks awesome <img src='http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/2009/07/05/getting-the-message/comment-page-1/#comment-53</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GNOME Shell is certainly progressing nicely. I have done a test build recently and really like the concept.

However there is one thing that really destroys a lot of usability for me: the bad, manual workspace handling.

Let me explain:

After starting GNOME(Shell) I need a basic set of applications: Browser, IRC, IM, Email. Browser and Mail get a workspace for themselves, IM and IRC can share one (this is only an example). Now, I need to write a text and start OOo Writer on a new workspace. While doing this I also start something different on yet another workspace. I finish the text doc and close Writer. Now I have an empty workspace and no way to get rid of it, other than manually move over the window(s) from the last workspace to this one and remove the last one.

It would rock if the Shell would do the cleanup work for me, e.g. remove a workspace after the last window is closed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GNOME Shell is certainly progressing nicely. I have done a test build recently and really like the concept.</p>
<p>However there is one thing that really destroys a lot of usability for me: the bad, manual workspace handling.</p>
<p>Let me explain:</p>
<p>After starting GNOME(Shell) I need a basic set of applications: Browser, IRC, IM, Email. Browser and Mail get a workspace for themselves, IM and IRC can share one (this is only an example). Now, I need to write a text and start OOo Writer on a new workspace. While doing this I also start something different on yet another workspace. I finish the text doc and close Writer. Now I have an empty workspace and no way to get rid of it, other than manually move over the window(s) from the last workspace to this one and remove the last one.</p>
<p>It would rock if the Shell would do the cleanup work for me, e.g. remove a workspace after the last window is closed.</p>
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		<title>By: nicu</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/2009/07/05/getting-the-message/comment-page-1/#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator>nicu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 07:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The link to Marina&#039;s blog is broken, it should be http://blogs.gnome.org/marina/2009/07/05/gcds-and-the-gnome-shell-sneak-peak/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The link to Marina&#8217;s blog is broken, it should be <a href="http://blogs.gnome.org/marina/2009/07/05/gcds-and-the-gnome-shell-sneak-peak/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.gnome.org/marina/2009/07/05/gcds-and-the-gnome-shell-sneak-peak/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dylan McCall</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/2009/07/05/getting-the-message/comment-page-1/#comment-51</link>
		<dc:creator>Dylan McCall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, answering one open question: &quot;Should there be a special system modal type of message? http://mail.gnome.org/
archives/gnome-shell-list/2009-April/msg00037.html&quot;

In my opinion, I think there indeed should be, but this could be nicely done by touching up something from the level of the GUI toolkit. I think we need a widget in GTK+ for a non-blocking but interactive (and semi-permanent) popup window like that notification bar. This same kind of bar could be used nicely within an application&#039;s own window (eg: gedit uses these, as does Jokosher and some others) just the same as it could work globally. It&#039;s a great replacement to floating dialog windows pretty much anywhere. (Floating, non-modal dialogs are flawed because they intend not to block interaction, but draw on top of the window anyway so might as well be modal).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, answering one open question: &#8220;Should there be a special system modal type of message? <a href="http://mail.gnome.org/" rel="nofollow">http://mail.gnome.org/</a><br />
archives/gnome-shell-list/2009-April/msg00037.html&#8221;</p>
<p>In my opinion, I think there indeed should be, but this could be nicely done by touching up something from the level of the GUI toolkit. I think we need a widget in GTK+ for a non-blocking but interactive (and semi-permanent) popup window like that notification bar. This same kind of bar could be used nicely within an application&#8217;s own window (eg: gedit uses these, as does Jokosher and some others) just the same as it could work globally. It&#8217;s a great replacement to floating dialog windows pretty much anywhere. (Floating, non-modal dialogs are flawed because they intend not to block interaction, but draw on top of the window anyway so might as well be modal).</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan McCall</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/2009/07/05/getting-the-message/comment-page-1/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>Dylan McCall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THANK YOU LORD
I bow before you. This is exactly how it should always have been.

Palm&#039;s WebOS has a similar design, and it has been really well regarded.

Am I correct in hoping that this will not use the system tray spec for notification icons, but something more rigidly defined and more under the control of gnome-shell itself? (And that notification bubbles would become / be attached to their notification icons within the same simple library, permitting consistency in that end of the interface?)

If so, I deem this project not just fantastically amazing, but Amazingly Fantastic Stuff!

Now, quickly, get to the freedesktop mailing lists and shout about this before they redesign the libnotify spec and break all hope of interoperability.

Nice design document. I agree about having an active application menu, as that finally permits us a logical place to put application-level menu items like Help and Preferences, which is something I have always been jealous of MacOS about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THANK YOU LORD<br />
I bow before you. This is exactly how it should always have been.</p>
<p>Palm&#8217;s WebOS has a similar design, and it has been really well regarded.</p>
<p>Am I correct in hoping that this will not use the system tray spec for notification icons, but something more rigidly defined and more under the control of gnome-shell itself? (And that notification bubbles would become / be attached to their notification icons within the same simple library, permitting consistency in that end of the interface?)</p>
<p>If so, I deem this project not just fantastically amazing, but Amazingly Fantastic Stuff!</p>
<p>Now, quickly, get to the freedesktop mailing lists and shout about this before they redesign the libnotify spec and break all hope of interoperability.</p>
<p>Nice design document. I agree about having an active application menu, as that finally permits us a logical place to put application-level menu items like Help and Preferences, which is something I have always been jealous of MacOS about.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Message tray&#8221; e GNOME Shell PDF « pollycoke :)</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/2009/07/05/getting-the-message/comment-page-1/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;Message tray&#8221; e GNOME Shell PDF « pollycoke :)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] dei Messaggi&#8221; non si può sentire&#8230; ma così - message tray - l&#8217;ha definito William Jon McCann, che ne ha da poco dato notizia. Quella che vedete non è che una schermata totalmente inespressiva [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] dei Messaggi&#8221; non si può sentire&#8230; ma così &#8211; message tray &#8211; l&#8217;ha definito William Jon McCann, che ne ha da poco dato notizia. Quella che vedete non è che una schermata totalmente inespressiva [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Relton</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/2009/07/05/getting-the-message/comment-page-1/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Relton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Message Tray concept seems similar (or same) to what Ubuntu are doing with notifications. Same concept?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Message Tray concept seems similar (or same) to what Ubuntu are doing with notifications. Same concept?</p>
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		<title>By: Matteo Settenvini</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/2009/07/05/getting-the-message/comment-page-1/#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>Matteo Settenvini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Page 23: &quot;Perhaps we can even show a hint to use alt-tab when we detect that the user is going in and out of the shell to switch windows in rapid succession?&quot;

I think it would be good to exploit the non-invasive messaging area to display tips on desktop usage to new users. This could be disabled from the preferences. There could be a small program like &quot;gnome-advice&quot; which monitor what the user is doing and shows tips on a not-too-often and contextual manner.

Distrubutions like Ubuntu and other may like this approach since it&#039;s also easy to extend/modify/disable/enable.

Just my 2¢.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Page 23: &#8220;Perhaps we can even show a hint to use alt-tab when we detect that the user is going in and out of the shell to switch windows in rapid succession?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think it would be good to exploit the non-invasive messaging area to display tips on desktop usage to new users. This could be disabled from the preferences. There could be a small program like &#8220;gnome-advice&#8221; which monitor what the user is doing and shows tips on a not-too-often and contextual manner.</p>
<p>Distrubutions like Ubuntu and other may like this approach since it&#8217;s also easy to extend/modify/disable/enable.</p>
<p>Just my 2¢.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/2009/07/05/getting-the-message/comment-page-1/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 18:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really love this! But it should be more clear, that there is clickable icons in the corner - they seem to appear out of the blue.

But the panel! Damn, it&#039;s simple and beautiful :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really love this! But it should be more clear, that there is clickable icons in the corner &#8211; they seem to appear out of the blue.</p>
<p>But the panel! Damn, it&#8217;s simple and beautiful <img src='http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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