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	<title>Comments on: Tool KITT</title>
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		<title>By: mpt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/2009/07/22/tool-kitt/comment-page-1/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator>mpt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 01:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeterminate progress bars are “ugly and distracting” only because most GTK themes make them bounce back and forth. That is a silly way to present them, partly because it makes them look hyperactive, and partly because if you glance at one at the wrong moment it looks identical to a determinate progress bar. I suggest reporting a bug against every GTK theme that presents them this way.

Wherever possible, progress bars should be determinate, even if the proportions allocated to subtasks aren’t exact. Programmers often don’t do this, because they think — incorrectly — that inaccurate progress feedback is worse than none at all. (Giving an estimate of time remaining is a whole different kettle of fish.)

Progress of a long-running task, where the user is likely to be interested in its completion, should be shown in a dedicated progress window whenever there isn’t another relevant window to show it in. And a dedicated progress window should always include a progress bar, not a spinner, even if the progress is unfixably indeterminate.

There’s plenty more advice that could be written about progress bars, none of which is in the Human Interface Guidelines yet. (For example, a common error in Gnome software is to use a progress bar as a gauge of something other than progress.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeterminate progress bars are “ugly and distracting” only because most GTK themes make them bounce back and forth. That is a silly way to present them, partly because it makes them look hyperactive, and partly because if you glance at one at the wrong moment it looks identical to a determinate progress bar. I suggest reporting a bug against every GTK theme that presents them this way.</p>
<p>Wherever possible, progress bars should be determinate, even if the proportions allocated to subtasks aren’t exact. Programmers often don’t do this, because they think — incorrectly — that inaccurate progress feedback is worse than none at all. (Giving an estimate of time remaining is a whole different kettle of fish.)</p>
<p>Progress of a long-running task, where the user is likely to be interested in its completion, should be shown in a dedicated progress window whenever there isn’t another relevant window to show it in. And a dedicated progress window should always include a progress bar, not a spinner, even if the progress is unfixably indeterminate.</p>
<p>There’s plenty more advice that could be written about progress bars, none of which is in the Human Interface Guidelines yet. (For example, a common error in Gnome software is to use a progress bar as a gauge of something other than progress.)</p>
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		<title>By: Hylke</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/2009/07/22/tool-kitt/comment-page-1/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>Hylke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>otte: because it&#039;s ugly and distracting :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>otte: because it&#8217;s ugly and distracting <img src='http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: otte</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/2009/07/22/tool-kitt/comment-page-1/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>otte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You failed to give a specific reason for why to not use it. A simple &quot;it&#039;s wrong&quot; is not very educational.

That said, I&#039;ve always thought pulsing was reserved for cases that should have a progress indication, but can&#039;t. Like my browser downloading something that didn&#039;t give a Content-Length. Or is it wrong for that, too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You failed to give a specific reason for why to not use it. A simple &#8220;it&#8217;s wrong&#8221; is not very educational.</p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;ve always thought pulsing was reserved for cases that should have a progress indication, but can&#8217;t. Like my browser downloading something that didn&#8217;t give a Content-Length. Or is it wrong for that, too?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/2009/07/22/tool-kitt/comment-page-1/#comment-57</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second the notion of not using a pulsing progress bar.  It&#039;s like a progressless bar.  I suppose it lets me know that the operation isn&#039;t blocking the GUI or hasn&#039;t frozen the application.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second the notion of not using a pulsing progress bar.  It&#8217;s like a progressless bar.  I suppose it lets me know that the operation isn&#8217;t blocking the GUI or hasn&#8217;t frozen the application.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerome Haltom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/2009/07/22/tool-kitt/comment-page-1/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerome Haltom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As soon as such a spinner widget exists in GTK prime I&#039;ll change my code to use it. Until then, deal with it. =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As soon as such a spinner widget exists in GTK prime I&#8217;ll change my code to use it. Until then, deal with it. =)</p>
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