Who’s out there?

Who’s reading this? Comment if you like and say hello. Feel free to ask any questions you’d like us to answer at the same time.

Do you think everyone who might possibly want to know about day-to-day Metacity life is reading the Metacity blog? If not, how could we tell them about it?


  1. pclouds
    Posted October 17, 2008 at 4:23 am | Permalink

    Yes, that would be interesting.

  2. Ka-Hing Cheung
    Posted October 17, 2008 at 4:46 am | Permalink

    Get yourself on planet gnome?

    It’s not really a metacity question, but is there a command line utility to control window properties?

  3. Bernard
    Posted October 17, 2008 at 4:56 am | Permalink

    You’re in my feed reader. I’m not entirely sure why (no offense, I just don’t recall adding GNOME news. Something must’ve added it somewhere). I skim the posts.

    Keep on keeping on ;),

  4. Posted October 17, 2008 at 4:56 am | Permalink

    a) I’d like to, but it’s only for people, not projects– unless you can convince jdub otherwise.

    b) http://www.sweb.cz/tripie/utils/wmctrl/

  5. Posted October 17, 2008 at 6:30 am | Permalink

    I’m just a run of the mill web developer and Debian user, so Gnome is my desktop and Metacity is my window manager. I like keeping up with the development of all the different Gnome components, so I read both Planet Gnome and Gnome News. I’d love it if more projects published news to Gnome News.

    Thanks for all of your hard work. I keep telling myself one of these days I’m going to get back into desktop programming. ;)

  6. Rob
    Posted October 17, 2008 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    I can’t wait to get the new theming discussion started. There’s a few ideas from my gtk/css work that might be worthwile …

  7. Posted October 17, 2008 at 9:04 am | Permalink

    I’ll like more info!

  8. Posted October 17, 2008 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    Could have a separate Planet for Gnome Projects, although I don’t think it is sensible to keep Planet Gnome exclusively for people.

    In my opinion, a Planet for the projects would be more interesting ( less irrelevant stuff ), anyway. I know LugRadio had a session on this…

  9. Posted October 17, 2008 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    I’m here :)

    news.gnome.org is on the list of sites I check daily. I found it by reading your blog on p.g.o. Before that I did not no it existed. I doubt that you reach many of the people who would be interested in the news this way though.

  10. Posted October 17, 2008 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    I’m a reader, I think I generally enjoy the posts that talk about the decisions you guys need to make and their justifications. I use metacity primarily because it means I don’t have to think about anything, and I can’t think of a time where I’ve even thought – “metacity could have done something different here”, so it is cool to see what those things actually are.

  11. Posted October 17, 2008 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    Tell us about features or common bugs that are being worked on. Get Iain to post some things about the compositor work.

  12. Posted October 17, 2008 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    Oh, and I’m a reader.

    I enjoy features, usability and bug posts, in that order. And screenshots are always nice!

    If there is any way for people to help / get involved, you might want to post about that, too!

  13. Sven Arvidsson
    Posted October 17, 2008 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    It would be interesting if you or somebody else (Matthew Allum?) would do a short write up about the clutter based compositor.

    How does it compare to the existing compositor? Is it just a tech demo or something which will be merged in the future?

  14. Luke
    Posted October 17, 2008 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    Yes, I love that you guys are far more regularly communicative about progress on the project than many other open source projects out there — it takes a lot of time and effort to compile such updates, and it is much appreciated.

    The big thing that irks me about Metacity is that its focus behavior is STILL broken, despite several generations of dialog like the following: “It’s broken” “No it’s not” “Yes it is” “Oh, you’re right, yes it is, OK, we fixed it for that app” “It’s still broken” “No it’s not” “Yes it is” “Oh, that’s an application bug, file a bug report with the app developers, not with the Metacity developers”. Basically many apps, when launched by clicking on a launcher, *still* open with a flashing icon down in the taskbar, even if the keyboard hasn’t been touched in ages…

  15. Posted October 18, 2008 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    Oh, hullo there.
    Me? Nah, don’t mind me. I’m just a.. user. ah, that’s right! a perfectly normal earth-user. Nothing strange with it, no no.

    Ah, let’s fess up, I’m a parttime Metacity user and have been since the project was first launched and you teased me off my beloved BlackBox (that I had minor hands in packaging and getting to work). All this from back in the early Gnome 1.9 days when I was still on the packaging team and later on in Gentoo.

    So, Yeah, I’m still around, reading and using.

  16. Posted October 18, 2008 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    Hi! I enjoy reading your metacity blog, I realize we should be blogging about Epiphany development more often as well. :)

  17. Posted October 18, 2008 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    Hi, Danny Clark here, Sys Admin with the FSF. Just skim the blog to keep up-to-date with metacity. I’ve found that one of the best ways to increase gNewSense and Ubuntu GNU/Linux system stability is:

    aptitude remove –purge compiz compiz-core compiz-fusion-plugins-extra compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-gnome compiz-plugins compizconfig-backend-gconf libcompizconfig0

    for pkg in compiz compiz-core compiz-fusion-plugins-extra compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-gnome compiz-plugins compizconfig-backend-gconf libcompizconfig0; do dpkg –purge $pkg; done

    (thus switching default Window Manager to metacity :-)

    The only window focus error I’ve noticed is that the “Log off, switch user, lock screen or power down the computer” / “Exit” screen appears behind all other windows in Metacity. This is with metacity 1:2.22.0-0ubuntu4 under Ubuntu Hardy on x86_64.

  18. Posted October 18, 2008 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    I read this blog directly until I realized it was on GNOME News too, so I now I read you from there.

    I appreciate your work keeping the community up-to-date, and would like to ask about future plans for the compositor. Perhaps you could about it in your next post :-)

    I think GNOME News is the perfect site to get this blog to interested audience. It’s just that GNOME News may not be as widely known as it should be…

  19. Joseph
    Posted October 19, 2008 at 2:55 am | Permalink

    yarr. ;)

  20. Posted October 19, 2008 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    I think I am reading this blog if I recall correctly. Or maybe it was another one of the myriads of metacity blogs out on the internet…

  21. Posted October 19, 2008 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    Hi, I am reading via http://news.gnome.org/rss20.xml , a feed that was preloaded in the RSS reader (straw) by default.

  22. Rui
    Posted October 19, 2008 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

    Hey I’m reading this blog to know when you guys are going to remove the insanity that is WM rendered window frames (and thus WM themes). Pretty please, make it client side, then the possibilities are endless!

    Ok, it’s not _just_ for that :-)

  23. Posted October 19, 2008 at 11:30 pm | Permalink

    Whoah, lots more comments. Thank you all. In particular:

    @Jeff: sure, I’ll ask him.

    @Mats: I will try to think about ways for people to get involved. I’ve mentioned them from time to time but there hasn’t been much uptake; I think I’ll work on overviews in greater detail. (http://news.gnome.org is the planet for projects.)

    @Sven: I don’t know that much about what they’re doing myself; I’m talking to them about the possibility.

    @Luke: Yes, focus has been a bete noire over the years, hasn’t it? :( Feel free to prod us on one or another of the relevant bugs a bit.

    @Spider: That’s happy to hear.

    @Danny: Okay, that made me laugh. Thank you for your kind words.

    @Zeth: Oh, cool, I didn’t know that RSS readers came with us preloaded. Nifty.

    @Rui: this is actually something due to be discussed here soon! I want to raise the question on the GTK list first, though.

  24. Posted October 19, 2008 at 11:34 pm | Permalink


    @Emilio: I will ask Iain what he thinks.

  25. Ka-Hing Cheung
    Posted October 21, 2008 at 5:47 am | Permalink

    Hmm, thanks for letting me know about wmctrl. It’s sticky option doesn’t work for metacity though…

  26. Posted October 21, 2008 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    @Ka-Hing Cheung:

    I didn’t know that. Can you raise a bug about that, please?

  27. Ka-Hing Cheung
    Posted October 22, 2008 at 4:33 am | Permalink

    raise a bug for wmctrl, or metacity?

  28. Posted October 22, 2008 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Metacity, in the first instance. Thanks.

  29. Ka-Hing Cheung
    Posted October 23, 2008 at 2:55 am | Permalink

    done: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557536

  30. Sven Arvidsson
    Posted November 3, 2008 at 1:17 am | Permalink

    I just thought of another question (let’s hope I’m not to late).

    Earlier this year[0] you mentioned not being able to work on dual-screen issues because of the lack of a second monitor. Is this still the case? If so, have you given any thought to asking for donations?

    Monitors aren’t exactly expensive these days, and I’m sure quite a few of us would be willing to chip in…

    0. http://blogs.gnome.org/tthurman/2008/03/25/catching-up/