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	<title>Comments on: Squib of the day: &#8220;(as root)&#8221;</title>
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	<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/metacity/2009/03/04/squib-of-the-day-as-root/</link>
	<description>"Many window managers are like Marshmallow Froot Loops; Metacity is like Cheerios."</description>
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		<title>By: Bunty</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/metacity/2009/03/04/squib-of-the-day-as-root/comment-page-1/#comment-894</link>
		<dc:creator>Bunty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;as root&quot; seems like a better idea than &quot;as superuser&quot; to me.  It&#039;s more consistent with the &quot;as user&quot; usage, and on RBAC-based systems, root != superuser anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;as root&#8221; seems like a better idea than &#8220;as superuser&#8221; to me.  It&#8217;s more consistent with the &#8220;as user&#8221; usage, and on RBAC-based systems, root != superuser anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: GNOME Commit-Digest &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Issue 22</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/metacity/2009/03/04/squib-of-the-day-as-root/comment-page-1/#comment-879</link>
		<dc:creator>GNOME Commit-Digest &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Issue 22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 09:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] include &#8220;(as username)&#8221; for windows running as another user; this was discussed in a squib of the day (GNOME bug [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] include &#8220;(as username)&#8221; for windows running as another user; this was discussed in a squib of the day (GNOME bug [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Squibs roundup, number 1 - …for the adult in you</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/metacity/2009/03/04/squib-of-the-day-as-root/comment-page-1/#comment-865</link>
		<dc:creator>Squibs roundup, number 1 - …for the adult in you</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 19:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;as root&#8221; &#8212; fixed. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;as root&#8221; &#8212; fixed. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Screwtape</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/metacity/2009/03/04/squib-of-the-day-as-root/comment-page-1/#comment-826</link>
		<dc:creator>Screwtape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to ask about the policy for theme version-bumping, but I see there&#039;s been a whole new post about that. :)

I&#039;d have thought it would be possible to add a window-state to the theme in such a way that older versions of Metacity could still read it, but I don&#039;t know how strict they are about ignoring things they don&#039;t understand.

@Gustavo Noronha:
When I suggested a themeable alternate window state, I was thinking of a Macintosh screenshot I saw once, with a dialog-box whose title-bar was covered in black-and-yellow warning-stripes; I think that would be visually-catching enough. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to ask about the policy for theme version-bumping, but I see there&#8217;s been a whole new post about that. :)</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have thought it would be possible to add a window-state to the theme in such a way that older versions of Metacity could still read it, but I don&#8217;t know how strict they are about ignoring things they don&#8217;t understand.</p>
<p>@Gustavo Noronha:<br />
When I suggested a themeable alternate window state, I was thinking of a Macintosh screenshot I saw once, with a dialog-box whose title-bar was covered in black-and-yellow warning-stripes; I think that would be visually-catching enough. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Gustavo Noronha</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/metacity/2009/03/04/squib-of-the-day-as-root/comment-page-1/#comment-817</link>
		<dc:creator>Gustavo Noronha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 01:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As author of one of the duplicates, I think the best would be to have some kind of more visually-catching hint, such as a red flag somewhere on the title, but anything is better than having no distinction, for me =).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As author of one of the duplicates, I think the best would be to have some kind of more visually-catching hint, such as a red flag somewhere on the title, but anything is better than having no distinction, for me =).</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Thurman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/metacity/2009/03/04/squib-of-the-day-as-root/comment-page-1/#comment-813</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Thurman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 00:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Simon:

You&#039;re right that Nautilus would be a more useful example;  I used xterm &lt;i&gt;because&lt;/i&gt; it&#039;s clear that it&#039;s working because there&#039;s already some sign that it&#039;s running as root, though.  Otherwise you wouldn&#039;t be able to tell from internal evidence that the patch worked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Simon:</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right that Nautilus would be a more useful example;  I used xterm <i>because</i> it&#8217;s clear that it&#8217;s working because there&#8217;s already some sign that it&#8217;s running as root, though.  Otherwise you wouldn&#8217;t be able to tell from internal evidence that the patch worked.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/metacity/2009/03/04/squib-of-the-day-as-root/comment-page-1/#comment-812</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 00:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The terminal example you depict in the screenshots probably isn&#039;t the best use case, since the terminal is one of the few applications where the contents of a window can be running as a different user from the terminal itself. Personally I&#039;d never run gnome-terminal as root - I&#039;d run it as myself and use sudo/su.

A more useful example would perhaps be Nautilus windows - if one of those is running as root, I&#039;d *really* love to have some outward sign of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The terminal example you depict in the screenshots probably isn&#8217;t the best use case, since the terminal is one of the few applications where the contents of a window can be running as a different user from the terminal itself. Personally I&#8217;d never run gnome-terminal as root &#8211; I&#8217;d run it as myself and use sudo/su.</p>
<p>A more useful example would perhaps be Nautilus windows &#8211; if one of those is running as root, I&#8217;d *really* love to have some outward sign of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Thurman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/metacity/2009/03/04/squib-of-the-day-as-root/comment-page-1/#comment-811</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Thurman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Screwtape:

Alternative themes would be a bit of an upheaval and probably not as useful as your idea about window states, which I like.  We&#039;d presumably stick with the dichotomy of root/any-other-user, and not have a theme for running as various other non-root users.

The &quot;(as superuser)&quot;/&quot;(as root)&quot; part can be checked in now, though, whereas a change to the theme will result in pushing us up to theme format v3, so we&#039;d want to do all such things in a separate branch and merge them to trunk all together.  That&#039;s no reason not to do it, of course...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Screwtape:</p>
<p>Alternative themes would be a bit of an upheaval and probably not as useful as your idea about window states, which I like.  We&#8217;d presumably stick with the dichotomy of root/any-other-user, and not have a theme for running as various other non-root users.</p>
<p>The &#8220;(as superuser)&#8221;/&#8221;(as root)&#8221; part can be checked in now, though, whereas a change to the theme will result in pushing us up to theme format v3, so we&#8217;d want to do all such things in a separate branch and merge them to trunk all together.  That&#8217;s no reason not to do it, of course&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Screwtape</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/metacity/2009/03/04/squib-of-the-day-as-root/comment-page-1/#comment-810</link>
		<dc:creator>Screwtape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m +1 on using an alternative theme for administrative windows, or better yet adding a new window-state to the theme-engine so one theme can properly theme both kinds of window, falling back to the &quot;(as superuser)&quot; suffix if a theme doesn&#039;t have a special appearance for super-user windows.

I thought about having an extra hint to allow non-root apps to use the alternate theme if they were potentially destructive without requiring root access, but I can&#039;t actually think of any such activities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m +1 on using an alternative theme for administrative windows, or better yet adding a new window-state to the theme-engine so one theme can properly theme both kinds of window, falling back to the &#8220;(as superuser)&#8221; suffix if a theme doesn&#8217;t have a special appearance for super-user windows.</p>
<p>I thought about having an extra hint to allow non-root apps to use the alternate theme if they were potentially destructive without requiring root access, but I can&#8217;t actually think of any such activities.</p>
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