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	<title>Comments on: GNOME DVCS Survey results</title>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/newren/2009/01/03/gnome-dvcs-survey-results/comment-page-1/#comment-364</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 23:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a Gnome contributor, just a passing statistician really.

I just wanted to point out explicitly, as several have hinted, that this survey isn&#039;t a technical comparison of DSVNs amongst unbiased responders, but rather a highly biased referendum on the perceived merits of switching.

But then, that&#039;s exactly the point. So, well done! Good survey!

I think the graph people should be taking most note of is the &quot;Regular use of DVCSs&quot;, since it&#039;s a history-based question rather than opinion-based. 50% of your &#039;user base&#039; regularly uses GIT. Choosing a system that half of your base already knows is always going to be an easier transition than educating the larger majority in an unfamiliar system. 

Asking what people actually do tends to give more useful answers than asking what they think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a Gnome contributor, just a passing statistician really.</p>
<p>I just wanted to point out explicitly, as several have hinted, that this survey isn&#8217;t a technical comparison of DSVNs amongst unbiased responders, but rather a highly biased referendum on the perceived merits of switching.</p>
<p>But then, that&#8217;s exactly the point. So, well done! Good survey!</p>
<p>I think the graph people should be taking most note of is the &#8220;Regular use of DVCSs&#8221;, since it&#8217;s a history-based question rather than opinion-based. 50% of your &#8216;user base&#8217; regularly uses GIT. Choosing a system that half of your base already knows is always going to be an easier transition than educating the larger majority in an unfamiliar system. </p>
<p>Asking what people actually do tends to give more useful answers than asking what they think.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott L. Burson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/newren/2009/01/03/gnome-dvcs-survey-results/comment-page-1/#comment-362</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott L. Burson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 03:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having found the complexity of git somewhat painful myself, I am glad to learn (from one of the comments) about Easy Git.  I&#039;m giving it a try.  Maybe it will make me more willing to recommend git, particularly in environments where not everyone is a developer.  And maybe wider use of it would further enhance git&#039;s popularity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having found the complexity of git somewhat painful myself, I am glad to learn (from one of the comments) about Easy Git.  I&#8217;m giving it a try.  Maybe it will make me more willing to recommend git, particularly in environments where not everyone is a developer.  And maybe wider use of it would further enhance git&#8217;s popularity?</p>
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		<title>By: Hatem Nassrat</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/newren/2009/01/03/gnome-dvcs-survey-results/comment-page-1/#comment-360</link>
		<dc:creator>Hatem Nassrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 06:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Elijah

Thanks for that stats link, and all the other stats under the same directory (http://www.gnome.org/~shaunm/survey/). They were quite helpful. 

I have been contemplating Git over and over for the past few weeks. I did try it out for a brief session. Although they do say it came a long way, I found it lacking from a usability respective and shunned it immediately. However, as a mercurial user I did have to deal with a few things that Git solves, such as the staging area for example. I am thinking I am sold with Git, I will have to work with aliases for a while, maybe submit a patch to at least get mind reading abbreviations going like Hg has. I will use Git for one or two projects and see how it feels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Elijah</p>
<p>Thanks for that stats link, and all the other stats under the same directory (<a href="http://www.gnome.org/~shaunm/survey/)" rel="nofollow">http://www.gnome.org/~shaunm/survey/)</a>. They were quite helpful. </p>
<p>I have been contemplating Git over and over for the past few weeks. I did try it out for a brief session. Although they do say it came a long way, I found it lacking from a usability respective and shunned it immediately. However, as a mercurial user I did have to deal with a few things that Git solves, such as the staging area for example. I am thinking I am sold with Git, I will have to work with aliases for a while, maybe submit a patch to at least get mind reading abbreviations going like Hg has. I will use Git for one or two projects and see how it feels.</p>
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		<title>By: Garth</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/newren/2009/01/03/gnome-dvcs-survey-results/comment-page-1/#comment-359</link>
		<dc:creator>Garth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some interesting statistics, which I think are in some ways more interesting than the averages used in the analysis above:

Second choices are always interesting, especially where there are two or more options which would naturally seem to go together. I&#039;d expect those who ranked git, hg or bzr first to rank the other two before SVN, but it seems that this isn&#039;t the case.

38% of people who ranked Git first preferred svn before bzr or hg, while 31% of bzr users felt the same way about svn over hg or git (although 45% chose git as a second choice, it is hard to explain why there is more than a few die hards who would prefer svn to the other distributed alternatives, given that their first choice isn&#039;t really all that different.

Of those who regularly used git, 83% had it listed as their first choice, quickly tailing off to 0% only 1% ranking it 4th or 5th. For bzr, 71% of users ranked it as their first choice, with the dropoff following the same (scaled) pattern from there.

Of the 20 people who used both regularly, 50% preferred git vs 30% preferring bzr. Interestingly, 2nd choices for svn here were a slightly more realistic 20%.

I started this hoping it would put bzr in a more favorable light, as being someone who only very occasionally (never? can&#039;t remember) contributes something to anything in the ecosystem, I personally prefer ease of use above all else. I think however that all my analysis can show is that people prefer what they already know above unknowns, even if they appear similar on the surface. It would be interesting to find out why the people who put svn in second place did so, and what could be done to improve the chosen vcs to change their minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some interesting statistics, which I think are in some ways more interesting than the averages used in the analysis above:</p>
<p>Second choices are always interesting, especially where there are two or more options which would naturally seem to go together. I&#8217;d expect those who ranked git, hg or bzr first to rank the other two before SVN, but it seems that this isn&#8217;t the case.</p>
<p>38% of people who ranked Git first preferred svn before bzr or hg, while 31% of bzr users felt the same way about svn over hg or git (although 45% chose git as a second choice, it is hard to explain why there is more than a few die hards who would prefer svn to the other distributed alternatives, given that their first choice isn&#8217;t really all that different.</p>
<p>Of those who regularly used git, 83% had it listed as their first choice, quickly tailing off to 0% only 1% ranking it 4th or 5th. For bzr, 71% of users ranked it as their first choice, with the dropoff following the same (scaled) pattern from there.</p>
<p>Of the 20 people who used both regularly, 50% preferred git vs 30% preferring bzr. Interestingly, 2nd choices for svn here were a slightly more realistic 20%.</p>
<p>I started this hoping it would put bzr in a more favorable light, as being someone who only very occasionally (never? can&#8217;t remember) contributes something to anything in the ecosystem, I personally prefer ease of use above all else. I think however that all my analysis can show is that people prefer what they already know above unknowns, even if they appear similar on the surface. It would be interesting to find out why the people who put svn in second place did so, and what could be done to improve the chosen vcs to change their minds.</p>
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		<title>By: Elijah</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/newren/2009/01/03/gnome-dvcs-survey-results/comment-page-1/#comment-357</link>
		<dc:creator>Elijah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Arne: See http://www.gnome.org/~shaunm/survey/first-picks-permutations.png (based on early results, so not complete but close) or http://wingolog.org/archives/2009/01/06/git-and-bzr.

@David: See http://blogs.gnome.org/newren/2007/11/17/adoption-of-various-vcses/ for at least one reason to not use svk.

@David: Did you even read the survey results?  Sure, if we only asked for first choice from everyone and there wasn&#039;t a clear leader, then we couldn&#039;t realistically claim we knew what the &quot;preferred&quot; system of those polled were.  However, (1) we asked for first, second, third, fourth, and fifth place rankings so we could look at other rankings and figure out what people would want, and (2) even if all people who chose bzr (78 people) or hg (38 people)  or svn (151 people) for their first choice system had all voted for the same system they still wouldn&#039;t have as many votes as those who picked git as their first choice (286 people).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Arne: See <a href="http://www.gnome.org/~shaunm/survey/first-picks-permutations.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.gnome.org/~shaunm/survey/first-picks-permutations.png</a> (based on early results, so not complete but close) or <a href="http://wingolog.org/archives/2009/01/06/git-and-bzr" rel="nofollow">http://wingolog.org/archives/2009/01/06/git-and-bzr</a>.</p>
<p>@David: See <a href="http://blogs.gnome.org/newren/2007/11/17/adoption-of-various-vcses/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.gnome.org/newren/2007/11/17/adoption-of-various-vcses/</a> for at least one reason to not use svk.</p>
<p>@David: Did you even read the survey results?  Sure, if we only asked for first choice from everyone and there wasn&#8217;t a clear leader, then we couldn&#8217;t realistically claim we knew what the &#8220;preferred&#8221; system of those polled were.  However, (1) we asked for first, second, third, fourth, and fifth place rankings so we could look at other rankings and figure out what people would want, and (2) even if all people who chose bzr (78 people) or hg (38 people)  or svn (151 people) for their first choice system had all voted for the same system they still wouldn&#8217;t have as many votes as those who picked git as their first choice (286 people).</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Toroshchin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/newren/2009/01/03/gnome-dvcs-survey-results/comment-page-1/#comment-356</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Toroshchin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 11:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the analysis, I was too lazy to analyze raw data myself, though was very interested in Gnome devs&#039; public opinion.

Hope KDE will some day think about this too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the analysis, I was too lazy to analyze raw data myself, though was very interested in Gnome devs&#8217; public opinion.</p>
<p>Hope KDE will some day think about this too.</p>
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		<title>By: David O'Brien</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/newren/2009/01/03/gnome-dvcs-survey-results/comment-page-1/#comment-355</link>
		<dc:creator>David O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like many folks think the &quot;take away&quot; from the data is to move from Subversion to Git.  However, I don&#039;t think you can really read that from the data - what would those that supported Hg or Bzr support if they knew that Hg and Bzr were out of the running?  To assume it is Git would be a fallacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like many folks think the &#8220;take away&#8221; from the data is to move from Subversion to Git.  However, I don&#8217;t think you can really read that from the data &#8211; what would those that supported Hg or Bzr support if they knew that Hg and Bzr were out of the running?  To assume it is Git would be a fallacy.</p>
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		<title>By: David O'Brien</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/newren/2009/01/03/gnome-dvcs-survey-results/comment-page-1/#comment-354</link>
		<dc:creator>David O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why wasn&#039;t Svk offered in the survey?  That way you get DVCS without having to do yet another repository conversion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why wasn&#8217;t Svk offered in the survey?  That way you get DVCS without having to do yet another repository conversion?</p>
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		<title>By: lancelot</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/newren/2009/01/03/gnome-dvcs-survey-results/comment-page-1/#comment-353</link>
		<dc:creator>lancelot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am neither committers nor documenters.....but i guess maybe those guys try to write one doc for all distro.....and i just know that ubuntu large supports bzr by launchpad.net
i GUESS maybe this is a little point......so they can write once and use everywhere easily
at least no repos sync/transform/migrate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am neither committers nor documenters&#8230;..but i guess maybe those guys try to write one doc for all distro&#8230;..and i just know that ubuntu large supports bzr by launchpad.net<br />
i GUESS maybe this is a little point&#8230;&#8230;so they can write once and use everywhere easily<br />
at least no repos sync/transform/migrate</p>
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		<title>By: Arne Babenhauserheide</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arne Babenhauserheide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the result for those who are familiar with all 3 VCS systems?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the result for those who are familiar with all 3 VCS systems?</p>
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