Comments on: questions of the day http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2008/06/15/questions-of-the-day/ Just another GNOME Blogs weblog Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:10:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Lucian http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2008/06/15/questions-of-the-day/comment-page-1/#comment-699 Lucian Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:22:09 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2008/06/15/questions-of-the-day/#comment-699 I really needed the kick in the ass about childhood dreams right now, thanks. How about you just ignore the bsd folks and let them port swfdec if they want it? I really needed the kick in the ass about childhood dreams right now, thanks.

How about you just ignore the bsd folks and let them port swfdec if they want it?

]]> By: troll http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2008/06/15/questions-of-the-day/comment-page-1/#comment-698 troll Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:30:17 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2008/06/15/questions-of-the-day/#comment-698 Hey, don't mix openBSD developers into the issue. Everyone knows they were dropped on their heads as babies... Hey, don’t mix openBSD developers into the issue. Everyone knows they were dropped on their heads as babies…

]]> By: Massimiliano http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2008/06/15/questions-of-the-day/comment-page-1/#comment-697 Massimiliano Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:31:04 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2008/06/15/questions-of-the-day/#comment-697 > Why are all the decadent people only talk about what > we need to do and not about what they will do > themselves? There is at least on case, where I can give you an explanation. I most cases "decadent people" are simply not good programmers, or they aren't programmers at all. You are programmer and you do the programmer. They are end-users and they do the end-users. If they aren't good programmers, it doesn't mean that they don't have clue on how software should work. They know what they want from their software, and they know where a software "sucks", or lacks something. Software is merely done by programmer, for end-user, and the last word goes to end-user. When you'll create software only for yourself, end-user will have nothing to say. For instance, until pidgin developers waste their time giving support to sametime, or to zephir, or to groupwise (always in beta status), instead of concentrating on voice chat and video chat, I'll be glad to continue blaming them, and tell them, that kopete, amsn, gyache and skype already have voice and video. And I'll tell them: you're good programmers, but you're doing things that really sucks :))) cheers to all. Massimiliano > Why are all the decadent people only talk about what
> we need to do and not about what they will do
> themselves?

There is at least on case, where I can give you an explanation.

I most cases “decadent people” are simply not good programmers, or they aren’t programmers at all.

You are programmer and you do the programmer.
They are end-users and they do the end-users.

If they aren’t good programmers, it doesn’t mean that they don’t have clue on how software should work.
They know what they want from their software, and they know where a software “sucks”, or lacks something.
Software is merely done by programmer, for end-user, and the last word goes to end-user.

When you’ll create software only for yourself, end-user will have nothing to say.
For instance, until pidgin developers waste their time giving support to sametime, or to zephir, or to groupwise (always in beta status), instead of concentrating on voice chat and video chat, I’ll be glad to continue blaming them, and tell them, that kopete, amsn, gyache and skype already have voice and video.
And I’ll tell them: you’re good programmers, but you’re doing things that really sucks :)))

cheers to all.
Massimiliano

]]> By: JustAGuy http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2008/06/15/questions-of-the-day/comment-page-1/#comment-696 JustAGuy Sun, 15 Jun 2008 23:26:42 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2008/06/15/questions-of-the-day/#comment-696 If ALSA can work on BSD, by way of Pulse, shouldn't the BSD developers just cut out the middleman, and let applications support Pulse/Jack directly? What are the advantages of having your application talk to libalsa, which talks to libpulse, which (hopefully) talks to your sound drive? If ALSA can work on BSD, by way of Pulse, shouldn’t the BSD developers just cut out the middleman, and let applications support Pulse/Jack directly?
What are the advantages of having your application talk to libalsa, which talks to libpulse, which (hopefully) talks to your sound drive?

]]> By: otte http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2008/06/15/questions-of-the-day/comment-page-1/#comment-695 otte Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:25:35 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2008/06/15/questions-of-the-day/#comment-695 Cyrille, Joe: ALSA works on any OS that Pulse or Jack run on, as you can just make sound go through those. So ALSA works on Windows, OS X or indeed any BSD. It's fascinating that the meme that it's Linux only still makes the rounds. The BSD people would save so much time if they just made all apps use libalsa to talk to their precious sound system instead of half-heartedly fixing all ALSA using apps to also have an OSS backend. But knowing the BSD people, they'd rather invent ABSA than go ALSA. Cyrille, Joe: ALSA works on any OS that Pulse or Jack run on, as you can just make sound go through those. So ALSA works on Windows, OS X or indeed any BSD. It’s fascinating that the meme that it’s Linux only still makes the rounds. The BSD people would save so much time if they just made all apps use libalsa to talk to their precious sound system instead of half-heartedly fixing all ALSA using apps to also have an OSS backend.

But knowing the BSD people, they’d rather invent ABSA than go ALSA.

]]> By: BC http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2008/06/15/questions-of-the-day/comment-page-1/#comment-694 BC Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:22:35 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2008/06/15/questions-of-the-day/#comment-694 Re the decadents: because GNOME puts too much emphasis on people who can write code, and most visionaries can't write code. Re dreams: because kids suck all the energy out of you, and by the time you've got rid of them you're either too old or exhausted to care about your dreams any more. If your dreams don't involve kids, why have kids in the first place?! Re the decadents: because GNOME puts too much emphasis on people who can write code, and most visionaries can’t write code.

Re dreams: because kids suck all the energy out of you, and by the time you’ve got rid of them you’re either too old or exhausted to care about your dreams any more. If your dreams don’t involve kids, why have kids in the first place?!

]]> By: Joe http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2008/06/15/questions-of-the-day/comment-page-1/#comment-693 Joe Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:22:24 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2008/06/15/questions-of-the-day/#comment-693 >> Why do lots of OpenBSD developers treat you as an >> asshole if you have a different opinion then them? Umm, that's a good question. I would love to know about it too. :o >> Related to the above: Why does ALSA run even on >> Pulse Audio or Jack, but not on BSD? ALSA is Linux speific. OSS is a lot better and available to many different UNIX platforms. Also, OSS's API is simpler and easier to use; better documented. >> When will I finally get a new unstable Swfdec >> release out? When will you? :-)) >> Why do lots of OpenBSD developers treat you as an
>> asshole if you have a different opinion then them?

Umm, that’s a good question. I would love to know about it too. :o

>> Related to the above: Why does ALSA run even on
>> Pulse Audio or Jack, but not on BSD?

ALSA is Linux speific. OSS is a lot better and available to many different UNIX platforms. Also, OSS’s API is simpler and easier to use; better documented.

>> When will I finally get a new unstable Swfdec
>> release out?

When will you? :-))

]]> By: Cyrille Berger http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2008/06/15/questions-of-the-day/comment-page-1/#comment-692 Cyrille Berger Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:18:45 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2008/06/15/questions-of-the-day/#comment-692 Since when PulseAudio and Jack are OS ? Or is BSD a new sound system ? Obviously I am playing the dumb, but seriously, compare what is comparable. The question would become: does alsa works on an other OS than Linux ? Does something that hold the "l" of Linuw works on an other OS than Linux ? Is there a need for ALSA on BSD ? As far as I am concern, sounds work pretty fine on BSD without ALSA (a claim that you can't allways make on Linux with ALSA)... Since when PulseAudio and Jack are OS ? Or is BSD a new sound system ? Obviously I am playing the dumb, but seriously, compare what is comparable. The question would become: does alsa works on an other OS than Linux ? Does something that hold the “l” of Linuw works on an other OS than Linux ? Is there a need for ALSA on BSD ? As far as I am concern, sounds work pretty fine on BSD without ALSA (a claim that you can’t allways make on Linux with ALSA)…

]]> By: Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2008/06/15/questions-of-the-day/comment-page-1/#comment-691 Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:42:17 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2008/06/15/questions-of-the-day/#comment-691 Considering myself decadent, I would like to counter you claim since you obviously did not read my last post (or more precisely; the wiki page I linked to). To quote myself: "... I am willing to work on both myself.". Taken from http://live.gnome.org/MikkelKamstrup/Gnome3Vision About childhood dreams - I have two children and I have not given up my youth-dream (I didn't really have any childhood ones) - to become a FOSS hacker. As to the question about why I haven't dropped it..? I guess I just like hacking, so why would I stop? Considering myself decadent, I would like to counter you claim since you obviously did not read my last post (or more precisely; the wiki page I linked to). To quote myself: “… I am willing to work on both myself.”. Taken from http://live.gnome.org/MikkelKamstrup/Gnome3Vision

About childhood dreams – I have two children and I have not given up my youth-dream (I didn’t really have any childhood ones) – to become a FOSS hacker. As to the question about why I haven’t dropped it..? I guess I just like hacking, so why would I stop?

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