Comments on: Delivering the killing blow to libgnome

By: pbor

pbor — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:45:31 +0000

@Don: yes, d-bus sounds like a good solution… especially if pressing the help button in different dialogs makes yelp switch page instead of spawning new instances

@ken: I do not agree, session saving is useful IMHO… the problem you see are due to bad implementation, which is in turn due to 1) sloppy application programmers and 2) bad and undocumented session saving API

@Dennis: gedit uses it’s own gedit-history-entry implementation (since gnome_entry_new didn’t use GtkComboBox), feel free to steal it :)

By: Emmanuele Bassi

Emmanuele Bassi — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:28:49 +0000

@Marko: either gtk+ or gio/gvfs. the problematic bit is the fact that the thumbnailers (the actual programs creating the thumbnails) are stored inside gconf; hence, we need a migration path for that as well.

By: Dennis

Dennis — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:48:29 +0000

You missed gnome_entry_new(). Gtk+ does not offer a widget with auto-saved history.

By: ken

ken — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:30:13 +0000

I’ve written a few (unofficial) GNOME apps, and I still don’t know what “sessions” are, or what they’re good for.

All I know is that they’re an extra boolean question you get asked whenever you log out from GNOME, and if you answer wrong you get 5 xchats next time you log in.

So I agree that “sessions” shouldn’t be in GNOME … they probably shouldn’t exist at all. Die, sessions, die!

By: Don Scorgie

Don Scorgie — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:25:26 +0000

Regarding the help stuff:
We are working on a replacement as I speak. The idea will be to have either a dbus signal:
org.freedesktop.open_help()
and org.gnome.open_help_page ()
or similar

as well as command-line access, for those who don’t like dbus:
yelp ghelp:gedit
(which you can do at the moment, but is slightly messy for various reasons)

I’ve also considered a small library to link against, but it seems like overkill since there will only be 1-2 functions in it.

Hopefully, we’ll have a solution in place early this release cycle so everyone can start the migration.

Hope this helps
You’re friendly yelp hacker.

By: Marko Anastasov

Marko Anastasov — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:47:47 +0000

There is also gnome_thumbnail_factory_*. Which module would that belong to?

By: pbor

pbor — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:03:37 +0000

@Mikael: there is a patch in bugzilla (though it needs some updating). We decided it was a bit too late for 2.20 but it will definately go in 2.22, especially if tools to edit GtkBuilder files show up

By: Mikael Hermansson

Mikael Hermansson — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:54:43 +0000

how the status replace libglade with gtkbuilder API in gedit?

By: pbor

pbor — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:33:36 +0000

@jhs: well, the average gnome app has no dockable toolbars… I am sure there are other things still missing, but I was just concerned with the ones that affect 90% of our applications

@olav: awesome! Maybe it was just me not paying enough attention…

@Jani: yes, I know many apps replaced gnome_help_display(), and I still think that cut&paste is a suboptimal solution

@Dan: great! I didn’t know about that patch… If the code is there I think that session saving should stay: if someone doesn’t want to save he can just ignore the signal.

@Oded: works for me here on ubuntu 7.10 and it works for everyone I asked… if it really doesn’t work for you then file a bug

@alex: sounds good!

By: alexl

alexl — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:08:37 +0000

I haven’t figured out the gnome_icon_lookup story fully, but its gio will to a large degree replace it. You can get the “icon” attribute for files.