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	<title>Comments on: GNOME 2.18 &#8211; underwhelmed?</title>
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		<title>By: Ploum</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rbultje/2007/04/11/gnome-218-underwhelmed/comment-page-1/#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator>Ploum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One word : Thanks !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One word : Thanks !</p>
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		<title>By: Gianni</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rbultje/2007/04/11/gnome-218-underwhelmed/comment-page-1/#comment-150</link>
		<dc:creator>Gianni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with some parts. &lt;p/&gt;The most one will be &#039;stagnation&#039; situation in this 2.18 release. In fact the best part of the desktop is being done by small individual projects where gnome as a whole should be doing the most part of the job.&lt;p/&gt;As I see it, there were a lot of developers and engineers developing the critical parts of the desktop to build gnome. Now most of them are done and nobody cares.&lt;p/&gt;I will just take an example, the panel applet window list and his resizing problem. It&#039;s there since ... the beginning?&lt;p/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Personnal Message to the gnome developpers: _please_ do not reinvent a new desktop ala KDE4 (plasma, etC..) and ignoring current bugs or desktop flaws. Please fix the desktop, and make it rocks (and rock solid). The gnome desktop is an excellent base, we need to fix the most critical parts.&lt;p/&gt;And that&#039;s why I&#039;m all with your point of view Ronald.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with some parts.
<p />The most one will be &#8216;stagnation&#8217; situation in this 2.18 release. In fact the best part of the desktop is being done by small individual projects where gnome as a whole should be doing the most part of the job.
<p />As I see it, there were a lot of developers and engineers developing the critical parts of the desktop to build gnome. Now most of them are done and nobody cares.
<p />I will just take an example, the panel applet window list and his resizing problem. It&#8217;s there since &#8230; the beginning?
<p />Personnal Message to the gnome developpers: _please_ do not reinvent a new desktop ala KDE4 (plasma, etC..) and ignoring current bugs or desktop flaws. Please fix the desktop, and make it rocks (and rock solid). The gnome desktop is an excellent base, we need to fix the most critical parts.
<p />And that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m all with your point of view Ronald.</p>
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		<title>By: Pedro Martínez Juliá</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rbultje/2007/04/11/gnome-218-underwhelmed/comment-page-1/#comment-151</link>
		<dc:creator>Pedro Martínez Juliá</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer of some of your GNOME requests is the new web. At the time it is changed, all those projects you talk about can be documented and I hope anybody can help with this.&lt;p/&gt;I always liked GNOME simplicity but it&#039;s website is disorganized. It should be homogeneous, keeping it&#039;s simplicity and clarity.&lt;p/&gt;I&#039;m waiting to the new website and see what can be done with it. Please, take a look in a few months and post a comment like this again... I think then should be easy to make any page needed and keep all organized.&lt;p/&gt;In the other hand we have the bugs of some essential applications for the desktop. New times should come with the stabilization of GStreamer and Telepathy, I expect that GNOME will be up to date with them.&lt;p/&gt;I think that GNOME should make a way to manage bug reports and make easy the life of an user. When a bug is filed, a lot of needless messages are sent back to the reporter. It can make the user not send any more reports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer of some of your GNOME requests is the new web. At the time it is changed, all those projects you talk about can be documented and I hope anybody can help with this.
<p />I always liked GNOME simplicity but it&#8217;s website is disorganized. It should be homogeneous, keeping it&#8217;s simplicity and clarity.
<p />I&#8217;m waiting to the new website and see what can be done with it. Please, take a look in a few months and post a comment like this again&#8230; I think then should be easy to make any page needed and keep all organized.
<p />In the other hand we have the bugs of some essential applications for the desktop. New times should come with the stabilization of GStreamer and Telepathy, I expect that GNOME will be up to date with them.
<p />I think that GNOME should make a way to manage bug reports and make easy the life of an user. When a bug is filed, a lot of needless messages are sent back to the reporter. It can make the user not send any more reports.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald S. Bultje</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rbultje/2007/04/11/gnome-218-underwhelmed/comment-page-1/#comment-152</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronald S. Bultje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for GStreamer / Telepathy, what it comes down to is that they are essentially vapourware. They&#039;ve been around for many year now, both have been taken up commercially and there&#039;s companies hacking on them. In that way, they are a success.&lt;p/&gt;I want them to be unvapoured _for the larger community_ and become reality, but that has to be done by their respective developer communities. Showing some cool prototype that does something technically significant (e.g. playback Ogg/Theora or allow a one-on-one webcamchat with CVS versions and an unknown protocol) with no functional relevance (since outside the test environment, nobody is going to be able to use this) is cool, but not useful in the long run. Some of us want to watch Windows Media in the browser, and we want MSN / iChat webcamchats.&lt;p/&gt;So let me state that clearly: some of the GNOME technologies need to be less vapouPRware and more real. No more excuses, just do it.&lt;p/&gt;(I agree with the website, I hope it&#039;ll become very cool when it&#039;s on - but it has to be on!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for GStreamer / Telepathy, what it comes down to is that they are essentially vapourware. They&#8217;ve been around for many year now, both have been taken up commercially and there&#8217;s companies hacking on them. In that way, they are a success.
<p />I want them to be unvapoured _for the larger community_ and become reality, but that has to be done by their respective developer communities. Showing some cool prototype that does something technically significant (e.g. playback Ogg/Theora or allow a one-on-one webcamchat with CVS versions and an unknown protocol) with no functional relevance (since outside the test environment, nobody is going to be able to use this) is cool, but not useful in the long run. Some of us want to watch Windows Media in the browser, and we want MSN / iChat webcamchats.
<p />So let me state that clearly: some of the GNOME technologies need to be less vapouPRware and more real. No more excuses, just do it.
<p />(I agree with the website, I hope it&#8217;ll become very cool when it&#8217;s on &#8211; but it has to be on!)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rbultje/2007/04/11/gnome-218-underwhelmed/comment-page-1/#comment-153</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually all those KDE pages give me the impression that they&#039;re spending more time on flashy websites than _writing actual code_. Last I looked at least they were mostly just shell sites saying &quot;we&#039;re going to write this cool new thing .. later&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually all those KDE pages give me the impression that they&#8217;re spending more time on flashy websites than _writing actual code_. Last I looked at least they were mostly just shell sites saying &#8220;we&#8217;re going to write this cool new thing .. later&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: myself</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rbultje/2007/04/11/gnome-218-underwhelmed/comment-page-1/#comment-154</link>
		<dc:creator>myself</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael:&lt;p/&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://cia.vc/stats/project/kde&quot;&gt;http://cia.vc/stats/project/kde&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;21 messages so far today, 279 messages yesterday&lt;br/&gt;664 messages so far this week, 2562 messages last week&lt;br/&gt;3595 messages so far this month, 9273 messages last month&lt;br/&gt;319981 messages since the first one, 3.25 years ago, for an average of 5.34 minutes between messages&lt;p/&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://cia.vc/stats/project/gnome&quot;&gt;http://cia.vc/stats/project/gnome&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;15 messages so far today, 108 messages yesterday&lt;br/&gt;322 messages so far this week, 1195 messages last week&lt;br/&gt;1607 messages so far this month, 6208 messages last month&lt;br/&gt;247920 messages since the first one, 3.25 years ago, for an average of 6.9 minutes between messages&lt;p/&gt;&lt;p/&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael:
<p /><a href="http://cia.vc/stats/project/kde">http://cia.vc/stats/project/kde</a><br />21 messages so far today, 279 messages yesterday<br />664 messages so far this week, 2562 messages last week<br />3595 messages so far this month, 9273 messages last month<br />319981 messages since the first one, 3.25 years ago, for an average of 5.34 minutes between messages
<p /><a href="http://cia.vc/stats/project/gnome">http://cia.vc/stats/project/gnome</a><br />15 messages so far today, 108 messages yesterday<br />322 messages so far this week, 1195 messages last week<br />1607 messages so far this month, 6208 messages last month<br />247920 messages since the first one, 3.25 years ago, for an average of 6.9 minutes between messages
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rbultje/2007/04/11/gnome-218-underwhelmed/comment-page-1/#comment-155</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I don&#039;t feel that 2.18 was such a letdown but some of your points are very valid (and sad!), mostly the missing DVD support in gstreamer is a huge thing. Totem even uses gstreamer by default now and I really wonder why I have to use mplayer to watch DVDs now...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I don&#8217;t feel that 2.18 was such a letdown but some of your points are very valid (and sad!), mostly the missing DVD support in gstreamer is a huge thing. Totem even uses gstreamer by default now and I really wonder why I have to use mplayer to watch DVDs now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: liberforce</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rbultje/2007/04/11/gnome-218-underwhelmed/comment-page-1/#comment-156</link>
		<dc:creator>liberforce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About the explanation of not having DVD menus on GStreamer, this is a patent issue:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://thomas.apestaart.org/log/?s=dvd&quot;&gt;http://thomas.apestaart.org/log/?s=dvd&lt;/a&gt;+menus&lt;p/&gt;I was also uninpressed about the release notes, but it seems Vincent Untz and Lucas Rocha want to tackle this, with the Roadmap Gang.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://live.gnome.org/RoadMap/Process&quot;&gt;http://live.gnome.org/RoadMap/Process&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the explanation of not having DVD menus on GStreamer, this is a patent issue:<br /><a href="http://thomas.apestaart.org/log/?s=dvd">http://thomas.apestaart.org/log/?s=dvd</a>+menus
<p />I was also uninpressed about the release notes, but it seems Vincent Untz and Lucas Rocha want to tackle this, with the Roadmap Gang.<br /><a href="http://live.gnome.org/RoadMap/Process">http://live.gnome.org/RoadMap/Process</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rbultje/2007/04/11/gnome-218-underwhelmed/comment-page-1/#comment-157</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want a pony</description>
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		<title>By: Bastien</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rbultje/2007/04/11/gnome-218-underwhelmed/comment-page-1/#comment-158</link>
		<dc:creator>Bastien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totem&#039;s browser plugin already supports playlists...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totem&#8217;s browser plugin already supports playlists&#8230;</p>
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