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		<title>By: Elroy Coltof</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2005/11/23/dsl-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-215</link>
		<dc:creator>Elroy Coltof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminds me of a situation I had once.&lt;p/&gt;My uncle has a cable internet connection from Chello. Their cable modem continually lost connection.&lt;p/&gt;Whenever we&#039;s call they&#039;d run us tohrough the same procedure. We could shorten this, by statin what we&#039;d already done, but in the end they&#039;d claim the problem was in the computer, they could reach the modem from their end and it reported it was just fine.&lt;p/&gt;Not put off by this, we physically disconnected the modem from the cable and called again. Again the same claim: &quot;We can reach the modem, the problem is your computer&quot; Imagine their surprise when the answer was: &quot;You can see the modem when it&#039;s powered down and disconnected from the cable?&quot;&lt;p/&gt;We were immediately connected to an infinitely more knowledgable tech, who found out within a minute their administration was incorrect and he was actually looking at someone elses modem, which indirectly caused the problem BTW.&lt;p/&gt;Contrast this to my call  to my ADSL provider (xs4all) the one time in the last 5 years it didn&#039;t connect.&lt;p/&gt;I had already done a trace and knew the problem was in the first router after the DSLAM, which I told the tech guy.&lt;p/&gt;He asked me for the IP adresses and quickly agreed that the problem was indeed there. He had not had a report from anyone yet and it was not in their system, but he&#039;d look in to it. 2 minutes later he reported the router had failed and it was being worked on. That&#039;s why I have contract with this provider even though it&#039;s the most expensive ADSL provider for consumers wher I live.&lt;p/&gt;If there&#039;s no line for the support calls they even help you set up an IPv6 tunnel over your internet connection. (But only uunder those conditions) and they more or less support Linux.&lt;br/&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of a situation I had once.
<p />My uncle has a cable internet connection from Chello. Their cable modem continually lost connection.
<p />Whenever we&#8217;s call they&#8217;d run us tohrough the same procedure. We could shorten this, by statin what we&#8217;d already done, but in the end they&#8217;d claim the problem was in the computer, they could reach the modem from their end and it reported it was just fine.
<p />Not put off by this, we physically disconnected the modem from the cable and called again. Again the same claim: &#8220;We can reach the modem, the problem is your computer&#8221; Imagine their surprise when the answer was: &#8220;You can see the modem when it&#8217;s powered down and disconnected from the cable?&#8221;
<p />We were immediately connected to an infinitely more knowledgable tech, who found out within a minute their administration was incorrect and he was actually looking at someone elses modem, which indirectly caused the problem BTW.
<p />Contrast this to my call  to my ADSL provider (xs4all) the one time in the last 5 years it didn&#8217;t connect.
<p />I had already done a trace and knew the problem was in the first router after the DSLAM, which I told the tech guy.
<p />He asked me for the IP adresses and quickly agreed that the problem was indeed there. He had not had a report from anyone yet and it was not in their system, but he&#8217;d look in to it. 2 minutes later he reported the router had failed and it was being worked on. That&#8217;s why I have contract with this provider even though it&#8217;s the most expensive ADSL provider for consumers wher I live.
<p />If there&#8217;s no line for the support calls they even help you set up an IPv6 tunnel over your internet connection. (But only uunder those conditions) and they more or less support Linux.</p>
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		<title>By: Ilya</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2005/11/23/dsl-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-216</link>
		<dc:creator>Ilya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very familiar to the experience you&#039;d get here in Israel, though the telco and the ISPs are sometimes aware of this Linux beast.&lt;p/&gt;Reminds me of this one time when I knew there&#039;s a problem with my cable modem at home and I&#039;ve requested a technician visit while at work (so he&#039;ll be there by the time I get home). Basically, I let the support person lead me through the regular troubleshooting flowchart (reboot the computer, disconnect the modem etc.), inserting obligatory delays every time I &quot;did&quot; what he instructed me to do. It felt really silly but eventually, after some 10 minutes, we&#039;ve finished the standard procedures and I&#039;ve been scheduled a technician, who arrived that very evening and replaced the modem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very familiar to the experience you&#8217;d get here in Israel, though the telco and the ISPs are sometimes aware of this Linux beast.
<p />Reminds me of this one time when I knew there&#8217;s a problem with my cable modem at home and I&#8217;ve requested a technician visit while at work (so he&#8217;ll be there by the time I get home). Basically, I let the support person lead me through the regular troubleshooting flowchart (reboot the computer, disconnect the modem etc.), inserting obligatory delays every time I &#8220;did&#8221; what he instructed me to do. It felt really silly but eventually, after some 10 minutes, we&#8217;ve finished the standard procedures and I&#8217;ve been scheduled a technician, who arrived that very evening and replaced the modem.</p>
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		<title>By: GrumZ</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2005/11/23/dsl-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-217</link>
		<dc:creator>GrumZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a common situation for any Linux user in the world I think. In France, I&#039;ve always had this kind of problem. &lt;p/&gt;The golden rule : Never say you are running Linux to any &quot;joe user&quot; related hotline... The algorithm is always :&lt;p/&gt;anwser (&quot;We don&#039;t support Linux&quot;);&lt;br/&gt;exit ();&lt;p/&gt;Very annoying indeed !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a common situation for any Linux user in the world I think. In France, I&#8217;ve always had this kind of problem.
<p />The golden rule : Never say you are running Linux to any &#8220;joe user&#8221; related hotline&#8230; The algorithm is always :
<p />anwser (&#8220;We don&#8217;t support Linux&#8221;);<br />exit ();
<p />Very annoying indeed !</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Dowland</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2005/11/23/dsl-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-218</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Dowland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is sadly common for mention of Linux to immediately end any chance of getting help. What is remarkable about your conversation is how rude the girl was - specifically calling you a liar towards the end of the conversation is disgusting. I hope you lodged a complaint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is sadly common for mention of Linux to immediately end any chance of getting help. What is remarkable about your conversation is how rude the girl was &#8211; specifically calling you a liar towards the end of the conversation is disgusting. I hope you lodged a complaint.</p>
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		<title>By: michel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2005/11/23/dsl-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-219</link>
		<dc:creator>michel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>with hotline,  I lie, simply. :) and go straight to the real problem.&lt;p/&gt;lie&lt;br/&gt;fast&lt;br/&gt;answer !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>with hotline,  I lie, simply. <img src='http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  and go straight to the real problem.
<p />lie<br />fast<br />answer !</p>
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		<title>By: Aloriel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2005/11/23/dsl-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-220</link>
		<dc:creator>Aloriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your story sounds very familiar to me.&lt;br/&gt;I called many times to retecal/ono to complain about the service, the upload stream and the conection.&lt;br/&gt;I also called many times to wanadoo when I was using a modem because i lost many times the dns servers.&lt;br/&gt;And I always obtained the same answers/questions, «my problem» and «linux is not supported».&lt;p/&gt;The last time I spoke with a support departament (from jazztel) the guy finally told me that he recommends Linux instead of windows because of security and virus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your story sounds very familiar to me.<br />I called many times to retecal/ono to complain about the service, the upload stream and the conection.<br />I also called many times to wanadoo when I was using a modem because i lost many times the dns servers.<br />And I always obtained the same answers/questions, «my problem» and «linux is not supported».
<p />The last time I spoke with a support departament (from jazztel) the guy finally told me that he recommends Linux instead of windows because of security and virus.</p>
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		<title>By: SchAmane</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2005/11/23/dsl-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-221</link>
		<dc:creator>SchAmane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, calls to ISP is allways like Advature Game. They give you questions, and you need to pick a right answer to arive next level :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, calls to ISP is allways like Advature Game. They give you questions, and you need to pick a right answer to arive next level <img src='http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: fct</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2005/11/23/dsl-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-222</link>
		<dc:creator>fct</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;SG: heh, if you knew computers, you&#039;d know you need windows to configure the router&quot;&lt;p/&gt;Man, that&#039;s where I&#039;d go on a rampage over the phone.&lt;p/&gt;I agree with the previous poster, lodge a complaint because of her ignorance and misconduct towards clients. They have all their call times and clients recorded and she won&#039;t be hard to find. I for one don&#039;t want such a bitch answering my tech support requests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;SG: heh, if you knew computers, you&#8217;d know you need windows to configure the router&#8221;
<p />Man, that&#8217;s where I&#8217;d go on a rampage over the phone.
<p />I agree with the previous poster, lodge a complaint because of her ignorance and misconduct towards clients. They have all their call times and clients recorded and she won&#8217;t be hard to find. I for one don&#8217;t want such a bitch answering my tech support requests.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Q</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2005/11/23/dsl-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-223</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of the staff at the Telefonica help desks are morons. ALL OF THEM!!!&lt;p/&gt;This problem (and rudeness, especially since I&#039;m just a dumb guiri) is dragging Spain into the Third World bit by bit. Customer service doesn&#039;t exist in the Third World where there are no services. We are the customers, therefore we are slowly, but surely, slipping into the Third World.&lt;p/&gt;I am now sitting in my office in Madrid (The centre of the country&#039;s capital fucking city!!!) without phones for the third time in two weeks. Each time lasting over 72 hours. Of course, our clients are not too happy and don&#039;t get past the fact that it&#039;s Telefonica making it difficult to contact us.  &lt;p/&gt;Our customers understand customer support because we are one of the few companies that offer it. We believe it&#039;s a customer&#039;s right, not the provider&#039;s right, to have good service. It&#039;s our mission to slowly drag Spain away from the Third World.&lt;p/&gt;I just wish I didn&#039;t feel like I was fighting a losing battle against ignorance and apathy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of the staff at the Telefonica help desks are morons. ALL OF THEM!!!
<p />This problem (and rudeness, especially since I&#8217;m just a dumb guiri) is dragging Spain into the Third World bit by bit. Customer service doesn&#8217;t exist in the Third World where there are no services. We are the customers, therefore we are slowly, but surely, slipping into the Third World.
<p />I am now sitting in my office in Madrid (The centre of the country&#8217;s capital fucking city!!!) without phones for the third time in two weeks. Each time lasting over 72 hours. Of course, our clients are not too happy and don&#8217;t get past the fact that it&#8217;s Telefonica making it difficult to contact us.
<p />Our customers understand customer support because we are one of the few companies that offer it. We believe it&#8217;s a customer&#8217;s right, not the provider&#8217;s right, to have good service. It&#8217;s our mission to slowly drag Spain away from the Third World.
<p />I just wish I didn&#8217;t feel like I was fighting a losing battle against ignorance and apathy.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Butler</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2005/11/23/dsl-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-224</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back when @Home fell apart and AT&amp;T took over our cable connection stopped working exactly when they said they were cutting things over. I was on the phone with support for a very long time and the guy insisted the same thing (my computer&#039;s fault) and had me do all sorts of things. &lt;p/&gt;I at my Linux computer playing Quake 3 and told him that I was &quot;clearing my cache&quot; and whatever else he wanted until he finally transfered me to level 2 support (or whatever) who determined that (big suprise) my account wasn&#039;t configured on their end.&lt;p/&gt;That said, all my recent inquires with Comcast have been very positive, it seemed as if they restructured their entire support department a few yearas ago for the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back when @Home fell apart and AT&#038;T took over our cable connection stopped working exactly when they said they were cutting things over. I was on the phone with support for a very long time and the guy insisted the same thing (my computer&#8217;s fault) and had me do all sorts of things.
<p />I at my Linux computer playing Quake 3 and told him that I was &#8220;clearing my cache&#8221; and whatever else he wanted until he finally transfered me to level 2 support (or whatever) who determined that (big suprise) my account wasn&#8217;t configured on their end.
<p />That said, all my recent inquires with Comcast have been very positive, it seemed as if they restructured their entire support department a few yearas ago for the better.</p>
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