And thats the main reason I do not use openSUSE and not contribute to them.

Adding repos only because of main-repo-maintained-only-by-corporation is the most stupid thing… Ubuntu also lacks here…

About openSUSE: they require building packages by root (not recommended by me, because if you make stupid mistake in SPEC you can mess whole your system) and they require making subpackage -lang, which is required by main package (does this have sense?).

Only good thing their doing in their RPMS is opensuse-licences/etc package, which contains almost all OSI-approved licences.

Anaconda is way more flexible and the proof is in the number of distributions, even Debian and Gentoo based ones using it. Who uses the suse installer except suse?

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Distros

“Livio: I’m sorry, but I don’t think any reasonable person who has looked at both distributions’ repositories could possibly maintain that the Fedora repos are “better”. The openSUSE Build Service has thousands upon thousands more packages available, and the quality of SUSE packages are very high.”

BS. OpenSUSE does not even allow non-Novell people to maintain packages in the official repository and you have to use the so called build service. How open is that? The quality and guidelines for Fedora are way more comprehensive and better.

Speaking about the new installer, I like it very much and I don’t see any problem with that small qt dependency. Like most of users, I also mix KDE and GNOME apps and I think that openSUSE developers have good approach.

Cheers!

Would you prefer motif/lesstif as a “neutral” toolkit?

Xine is antic… GStreamer should be preferred, because it’s modern.
You haven’t heard about AMR? Do you have a cellphone?

> Btw, the opensuse 1-click installer thingy lacks many codecs for the gstreamer backend playback.

XINE is recommended by default, but if you hit “advanced” then you have the chance to select GStreamer stuff. I have never heard of AMR though.

Packman will be getting a _lot_ better with creating packages for development versions as they switch to using the build service software. And they already are greatly, to an extent.

Not to mention that even when they work those yast2 modules seem to want to initialize half of the universe all over again when they start. Even watching continents move is more interesting and faster. Watching anything yast(2) related start is like watching snails fuck. (I have to say: some of them are actually pretty damned good, after they have initialized and if they start at all.)

Btw, the opensuse 1-click installer thingy lacks many codecs for the gstreamer backend playback. I tested that extensively as well and things like AMR support were missing. Some of those 3rd party repositories are a life saver in that.. Was it umm.. Pacman? Something like that? Their packages always suck for couple months after a release (that liboil mess with 10.2 was a disaster), but after they balance they are aokish already.

And yeah, I know what alpha means. That’s why I test them so I know what to avoid, poke a bit around in bugzillas/etc and see how the final version is forming. Sometimes even post patches, used to run Gentoo BREAKME and do that for fun, hehe. Some distros are doing well and the developers rock.. Some seem just hopeless. Most often it’s openSuse, lol.

troll: it’s *ALPHA 1*. If you’re not expecting a crash around the place you should re-examine what you think Alpha means.

Some YaST modules fail to start? Which ones? Obviously this was not the case in the stable release, and I still doubt it’s the case in the Alpha 1 (haven’t noticed any).

> The software repositories are still hypocritic about the most important pieces software - multimedia codecs. Bleh.

What the heck does hypocritic mean here? MP3 support _is_ available in the official openSUSE repositories. For other things — yes, like the case in most distros, it’s not available out-of-the-box. Know what though? openSUSE has a nice 1-click-install for all multimedia codecs (making it much easier to, say, play a DVD than any other of the popular distros).

Livio: I’m sorry, but I don’t think any reasonable person who has looked at both distributions’ repositories could possibly maintain that the Fedora repos are “better”. The openSUSE Build Service has thousands upon thousands more packages available, and the quality of SUSE packages are very high.

Qt is still on the GNOME CD, GTK is still on the KDE CD. I’m sorry that you disagree, but many people like a mix of applications from both DEs. I’m a KDE user for example but I’m very happy that GIMP is available on the KDE CD.

“I can’t see why you would want OpenSUSE to provide 2 installers, in particular when the installer allows you to choose between a GNOME or a KDE installation”

Because you’re not so smart. openSUSE provides GNOME-CD and KDE-CD. GNOME CD shouldn’t provide any KDE packages or dependent by KDE packages.