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	<title>Comments on: UEFA Euro 2008</title>
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		<title>By: rodrigo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2008/06/30/uefa-euro-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-697</link>
		<dc:creator>rodrigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, I&#039;m not really arguing for a guarantee of scores, but to &quot;penalise&quot; (or just make very hard to do by changing the rules) the ultra-defensive playing.

Just so you know what I would really love from football, see this game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ-AjedNnAs

it is the game I remember the most (can you guess I like Atlético de Madrid? :-) ), and there was a lot of defense, if not, the result would have been 17-16, given the ultra offensive play by both teams. If most football games were like that one, believe me that I would never fall asleep watching them :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, I&#8217;m not really arguing for a guarantee of scores, but to &#8220;penalise&#8221; (or just make very hard to do by changing the rules) the ultra-defensive playing.</p>
<p>Just so you know what I would really love from football, see this game:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ-AjedNnAs" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ-AjedNnAs</a></p>
<p>it is the game I remember the most (can you guess I like Atlético de Madrid? <img src='http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ), and there was a lot of defense, if not, the result would have been 17-16, given the ultra offensive play by both teams. If most football games were like that one, believe me that I would never fall asleep watching them <img src='http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Ervine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2008/06/30/uefa-euro-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-696</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Ervine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 03:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t deny there are both defensive and offensive strategies in basketball - obviously a score in football is considerably more valuable than in basketball due to it&#039;s relative rarity. Hence why an overtly defensive strategy can pay dividends, and I must admit that is part of the excitement/thrill of football to me. I&#039;d be curious to know what the frequency of upsets is in basketball in comparison to football. I should think it&#039;s more likely in football, due to the ability to &#039;nick&#039; a goal and then defend that position is more possible than in basketball.

I think that is one of the main draws of football; that despite having the &#039;better&#039; team I&#039;m not guaranteed that my chosen team will win. An example of this from last year in England would be Manchester City beating their more illustrious neighbours twice in the same season. And as another example, to keep with the Spanish theme... Northern Ireland beating Spain 3-2 in Belfast during the qualifiers to the Euro Championships.

I&#039;ll admit the defensive strategies can lead to 0-0 draws of negligible entertainment value, but doesn&#039;t a guarantee of scores somewhat devalue the spectacle? Part of it surely must be the not knowing what&#039;s coming next. As it is, my chosen sport is actually quite similar to football, but did away with the offside rule entirely and I haven&#039;t played in a goalless draw in years without having scores in double figures either. The value of the clean sheet is preserved with an increase in scores.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t deny there are both defensive and offensive strategies in basketball &#8211; obviously a score in football is considerably more valuable than in basketball due to it&#8217;s relative rarity. Hence why an overtly defensive strategy can pay dividends, and I must admit that is part of the excitement/thrill of football to me. I&#8217;d be curious to know what the frequency of upsets is in basketball in comparison to football. I should think it&#8217;s more likely in football, due to the ability to &#8216;nick&#8217; a goal and then defend that position is more possible than in basketball.</p>
<p>I think that is one of the main draws of football; that despite having the &#8216;better&#8217; team I&#8217;m not guaranteed that my chosen team will win. An example of this from last year in England would be Manchester City beating their more illustrious neighbours twice in the same season. And as another example, to keep with the Spanish theme&#8230; Northern Ireland beating Spain 3-2 in Belfast during the qualifiers to the Euro Championships.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll admit the defensive strategies can lead to 0-0 draws of negligible entertainment value, but doesn&#8217;t a guarantee of scores somewhat devalue the spectacle? Part of it surely must be the not knowing what&#8217;s coming next. As it is, my chosen sport is actually quite similar to football, but did away with the offside rule entirely and I haven&#8217;t played in a goalless draw in years without having scores in double figures either. The value of the clean sheet is preserved with an increase in scores.</p>
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		<title>By: sabueso</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2008/06/30/uefa-euro-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-695</link>
		<dc:creator>sabueso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Anyway, congratulations to the Spanish team for this win, specially because this is the only thing that unifies Spaniards&quot;
Cof..cof...thats...cof..not...cof cof...true...cof cof.. xDDDD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Anyway, congratulations to the Spanish team for this win, specially because this is the only thing that unifies Spaniards&#8221;<br />
Cof..cof&#8230;thats&#8230;cof..not&#8230;cof cof&#8230;true&#8230;cof cof.. xDDDD</p>
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		<title>By: rodrigo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2008/06/30/uefa-euro-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-694</link>
		<dc:creator>rodrigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 10:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, in basketball, defense plays a very important role also, it&#039;s not just a succession of scores broken once in a while. In fact, there are 1000s of different kinds of defenses in basketball, and good teams use lots of them in every single game, so it&#039;s not that there is no defensive play. But the difference is that it&#039;s easier to score, so even if you do great defenses (see the San Antonio Spurs on the NBA, or DKV Joventut on the ACB) you have still to score more than your opponent, which, even if you do a good defense, will score some points.

I&#039;m just asking for something similar in football, good defense, but good offensive play. There are games where one of the teams just lock up their goal, and just wait for the other team to make a mistake and score, to lock the goal again for the rest of the game. Sometimes it&#039;s even the 2 teams who do that, which leads to the most boring sporting event you can watch. So, easier ways to score would remove that, you would need to defend a lot also, but you&#039;ll need to score more than your opponent and it would make it almost impossible for teams to play for a 0-0 result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, in basketball, defense plays a very important role also, it&#8217;s not just a succession of scores broken once in a while. In fact, there are 1000s of different kinds of defenses in basketball, and good teams use lots of them in every single game, so it&#8217;s not that there is no defensive play. But the difference is that it&#8217;s easier to score, so even if you do great defenses (see the San Antonio Spurs on the NBA, or DKV Joventut on the ACB) you have still to score more than your opponent, which, even if you do a good defense, will score some points.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just asking for something similar in football, good defense, but good offensive play. There are games where one of the teams just lock up their goal, and just wait for the other team to make a mistake and score, to lock the goal again for the rest of the game. Sometimes it&#8217;s even the 2 teams who do that, which leads to the most boring sporting event you can watch. So, easier ways to score would remove that, you would need to defend a lot also, but you&#8217;ll need to score more than your opponent and it would make it almost impossible for teams to play for a 0-0 result.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Ervine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2008/06/30/uefa-euro-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-693</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Ervine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The line judges are now called assistant referees in England at least (formerly linesmen). At the higher reaches of the game their flags have a function which alerts the referee that the assistant referee has spotted an infringement. Presumably some kind of button/buzzer/vibrate function (so it&#039;s not really a &#039;hope the referee sees it). Has it ever been the case, the referee hasn&#039;t seen a raised flag? There is also a 4th official but he&#039;s not used for adjudicating things like penalties/goals etc.

I&#039;d have to disagree with most of your other points though. Over the course of a season typically referee decisions will even out. When playing competitive sport the participants will accept that this is the case - sometimes it goes for you, sometimes it doesn&#039;t. In my opinion this is part of the drama of sport, even in Cup matches where a single decision can have a more dramatic influence. If you&#039;re good enough, a wrong call shouldn&#039;t affect the result. Even when it does, it gets passed into legend and just adds to the overall thrill of the game. Russian linesman, anyone?

More goals doesn&#039;t necessarily make for a more exciting game. And why should the art of good defending be sacrificed for introducing more attacking play? I personally find basketball a very boring and uninvolving sport - despite the high scores. I can certainly appreciate the athelticism of the players, but the game to me is just a constant procession of alternating scores. Obviously sometimes the sequence is broken to lead to a winner and loser. For me, anyway, more scores is not leading to a more exciting match.

The Spanish went totally crazy after winning I suspect is not all that unexpected. Spain have consistently underperformed at World Cups and European Championships for as long as I can remember. They&#039;ve always looked good, but always been found wanting towards the end of tournaments. This might mark their breakthrough. Football is the national sport in Spain - look at the followings of Barca and Real (there&#039;s also quite a split in the fans judging by the flags on show). Winning at basketball will not have had the same resonance, either in the media, or with the average sports fan. A lot of shrugged shoulders and &#039;so what&#039; I suspect will have been the general reaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The line judges are now called assistant referees in England at least (formerly linesmen). At the higher reaches of the game their flags have a function which alerts the referee that the assistant referee has spotted an infringement. Presumably some kind of button/buzzer/vibrate function (so it&#8217;s not really a &#8216;hope the referee sees it). Has it ever been the case, the referee hasn&#8217;t seen a raised flag? There is also a 4th official but he&#8217;s not used for adjudicating things like penalties/goals etc.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have to disagree with most of your other points though. Over the course of a season typically referee decisions will even out. When playing competitive sport the participants will accept that this is the case &#8211; sometimes it goes for you, sometimes it doesn&#8217;t. In my opinion this is part of the drama of sport, even in Cup matches where a single decision can have a more dramatic influence. If you&#8217;re good enough, a wrong call shouldn&#8217;t affect the result. Even when it does, it gets passed into legend and just adds to the overall thrill of the game. Russian linesman, anyone?</p>
<p>More goals doesn&#8217;t necessarily make for a more exciting game. And why should the art of good defending be sacrificed for introducing more attacking play? I personally find basketball a very boring and uninvolving sport &#8211; despite the high scores. I can certainly appreciate the athelticism of the players, but the game to me is just a constant procession of alternating scores. Obviously sometimes the sequence is broken to lead to a winner and loser. For me, anyway, more scores is not leading to a more exciting match.</p>
<p>The Spanish went totally crazy after winning I suspect is not all that unexpected. Spain have consistently underperformed at World Cups and European Championships for as long as I can remember. They&#8217;ve always looked good, but always been found wanting towards the end of tournaments. This might mark their breakthrough. Football is the national sport in Spain &#8211; look at the followings of Barca and Real (there&#8217;s also quite a split in the fans judging by the flags on show). Winning at basketball will not have had the same resonance, either in the media, or with the average sports fan. A lot of shrugged shoulders and &#8217;so what&#8217; I suspect will have been the general reaction.</p>
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		<title>By: Chenthill palanisamy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2008/06/30/uefa-euro-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-692</link>
		<dc:creator>Chenthill palanisamy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 06:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats!!! Though I was supporting for Germany, Spain played really well and left no chance for Germany. Torres was just too fast  to handle :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats!!! Though I was supporting for Germany, Spain played really well and left no chance for Germany. Torres was just too fast  to handle <img src='http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: eelcoh</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2008/06/30/uefa-euro-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-691</link>
		<dc:creator>eelcoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What i would like to see though, is technical support for determining off side and whether the ball has crossed a line, or not. That would be really helpful. 

As for the mistakes, we should just accept the fact that there will never be a system that will be able to tell the difference between a foul and a dive. Even with replays it will be hard to determine that, so the replays will only result in more debate and, as a result, more delay.

(And congrats to the Spanish team, it was a wonderful champion.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What i would like to see though, is technical support for determining off side and whether the ball has crossed a line, or not. That would be really helpful. </p>
<p>As for the mistakes, we should just accept the fact that there will never be a system that will be able to tell the difference between a foul and a dive. Even with replays it will be hard to determine that, so the replays will only result in more debate and, as a result, more delay.</p>
<p>(And congrats to the Spanish team, it was a wonderful champion.)</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2008/06/30/uefa-euro-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-690</link>
		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Football rules are designed intentionally to be exactly the same for all football matches, so that nothing extremely expensive (such as replay capabilities) are needed.

It would go against the spirit of the rules to have certain rules &quot;optional&quot;.

I kinda agree...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Football rules are designed intentionally to be exactly the same for all football matches, so that nothing extremely expensive (such as replay capabilities) are needed.</p>
<p>It would go against the spirit of the rules to have certain rules &#8220;optional&#8221;.</p>
<p>I kinda agree&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: UTP</title>
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		<dc:creator>UTP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well...I wouldnt agree about replays here as they would only slow down the game. Secondly, the true football fan wants to see some good football, some strategy and definitely some defense.

The commercial elements wants goals but I think the majority of fans still want some good football to watch....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;I wouldnt agree about replays here as they would only slow down the game. Secondly, the true football fan wants to see some good football, some strategy and definitely some defense.</p>
<p>The commercial elements wants goals but I think the majority of fans still want some good football to watch&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: rodrigo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2008/06/30/uefa-euro-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-688</link>
		<dc:creator>rodrigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, then in football they could just do it for penalties, agressions, etc, which are just a few per game, or the line judges (or however you call them in English) could be like the &quot;main&quot; referee, being able to signal some fault or off-side without having to use a flag and hope for the referee to see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, then in football they could just do it for penalties, agressions, etc, which are just a few per game, or the line judges (or however you call them in English) could be like the &#8220;main&#8221; referee, being able to signal some fault or off-side without having to use a flag and hope for the referee to see it.</p>
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