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		<title>By: rodrigo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2008/08/26/olympics-over/comment-page-1/#comment-745</link>
		<dc:creator>rodrigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, not suprised about the Spanish TV focus on Spanish athletes, just a bit upset that because of that you lose some other sports I like, like some swimming finals, some athletics and, for the 2 team finals, gymnastics. But as I said, I had Eurosport which had a live coverage always of those 3 sports, without interruptions. Of course, for people liking other minor sports (like shooting, fencing, fighting sports, etc), they just get to see the few combats where a Spaniard is involved, so it&#039;s much worse for them. Fortunately I don&#039;t miss much those sports :-)

As per the funding here in Spain, it&#039;s also done with public money (ADO plan) and some investment from private corporations, which seems similar to what you say about the UK, so either the amount of money is different, or someone is spending badly the money here, because the difference between UK and Spain in these latest Olympics has been enormous, and the UK improvement from Atlanta 1996 (I remember those Olympics because I was living in the UK then, it was 8 or 9 medals IIRC, less than Spain, who had 16/17) is just amazing. But at the end, to keep having medals in all olympics, you really need to have good local (and European and world-level) competitions, like the Spanish and European basketball leagues, they&#039;re so good and competitive that in the last 10 years, nothing but good players come out of them to the NBA, so funding just elite athletes doesn&#039;t work really for some sports. You really need to have first lots of medium-level athletes, so that some top-level ones come out of that. Not sure what would happen in the UK after 2012, but in Spain, money was reduced a lot after Barcelona 1992, and some sports don&#039;t get any more money since then. Fortunately since then medal count is always around 20, much better than in the pre-1992 era, where the record was, IIRC, 5 medals.

And yes, already read your post :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, not suprised about the Spanish TV focus on Spanish athletes, just a bit upset that because of that you lose some other sports I like, like some swimming finals, some athletics and, for the 2 team finals, gymnastics. But as I said, I had Eurosport which had a live coverage always of those 3 sports, without interruptions. Of course, for people liking other minor sports (like shooting, fencing, fighting sports, etc), they just get to see the few combats where a Spaniard is involved, so it&#8217;s much worse for them. Fortunately I don&#8217;t miss much those sports <img src='http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As per the funding here in Spain, it&#8217;s also done with public money (ADO plan) and some investment from private corporations, which seems similar to what you say about the UK, so either the amount of money is different, or someone is spending badly the money here, because the difference between UK and Spain in these latest Olympics has been enormous, and the UK improvement from Atlanta 1996 (I remember those Olympics because I was living in the UK then, it was 8 or 9 medals IIRC, less than Spain, who had 16/17) is just amazing. But at the end, to keep having medals in all olympics, you really need to have good local (and European and world-level) competitions, like the Spanish and European basketball leagues, they&#8217;re so good and competitive that in the last 10 years, nothing but good players come out of them to the NBA, so funding just elite athletes doesn&#8217;t work really for some sports. You really need to have first lots of medium-level athletes, so that some top-level ones come out of that. Not sure what would happen in the UK after 2012, but in Spain, money was reduced a lot after Barcelona 1992, and some sports don&#8217;t get any more money since then. Fortunately since then medal count is always around 20, much better than in the pre-1992 era, where the record was, IIRC, 5 medals.</p>
<p>And yes, already read your post <img src='http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Ervine</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2008/08/26/olympics-over/comment-page-1/#comment-744</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Ervine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post Rodrigo, and a nice summing up. Always interesting to read about an event I have an interest in from a different perspective. Particularly to hear how the Spanish media have portrayed whether the Spanish team were successful or not. I&#039;m not sure how funding is done within Spain - although as you say 90% of money in sport in Spain is directed to football. It&#039;s probably not all that different in the UK, in terms of percentages. Football, rugby, cricket, and tennis will receive a lot of money in the UK from commercial sponsors etc. The remaining sports (and I&#039;m generalising a lot here) will typically be funded, or at least partially funded, from public money (I include the lottery monies here).

What the UK Sport seem to have finally realised is that if they are to be measured on medals won, then funding will need to be directed at elite athletes, and that total amounts of money will be dependent upon performance. This has clearly worked in the case of cycling, sailing, and rowing. (Or as the Aussies put it, sports that involve a lot of sitting down)

These Olympics would seem to prove that medal table position will largely be determined by money and population available. Statistically China should have more elite capable athletes than other countries, they just need the systems in place to locate and train them. As compared to, say, India...

Can you really be surprised that Spanish TV would concentrate on Spanish athletes? I must admit to missing the BBC coverage, although I did fully enjoy being in a host venue. If you&#039;re suitably interested you can read my Olympic blog entry to see how our experiences compared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post Rodrigo, and a nice summing up. Always interesting to read about an event I have an interest in from a different perspective. Particularly to hear how the Spanish media have portrayed whether the Spanish team were successful or not. I&#8217;m not sure how funding is done within Spain &#8211; although as you say 90% of money in sport in Spain is directed to football. It&#8217;s probably not all that different in the UK, in terms of percentages. Football, rugby, cricket, and tennis will receive a lot of money in the UK from commercial sponsors etc. The remaining sports (and I&#8217;m generalising a lot here) will typically be funded, or at least partially funded, from public money (I include the lottery monies here).</p>
<p>What the UK Sport seem to have finally realised is that if they are to be measured on medals won, then funding will need to be directed at elite athletes, and that total amounts of money will be dependent upon performance. This has clearly worked in the case of cycling, sailing, and rowing. (Or as the Aussies put it, sports that involve a lot of sitting down)</p>
<p>These Olympics would seem to prove that medal table position will largely be determined by money and population available. Statistically China should have more elite capable athletes than other countries, they just need the systems in place to locate and train them. As compared to, say, India&#8230;</p>
<p>Can you really be surprised that Spanish TV would concentrate on Spanish athletes? I must admit to missing the BBC coverage, although I did fully enjoy being in a host venue. If you&#8217;re suitably interested you can read my Olympic blog entry to see how our experiences compared.</p>
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		<title>By: rodrigo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2008/08/26/olympics-over/comment-page-1/#comment-740</link>
		<dc:creator>rodrigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danilo, that was indeed a great team, probably the best European team ever. As I wrote on the post, it&#039;s the European media that said it, not me :-) But probably in favor of the Spanish team is that they almost win, not only at half time, but at the end of the game. But yes, would have been great to have that Yugoslavia team around in 1992, although I don&#039;t think they would have beaten the dream team, that&#039;s still the best team in history.

Djordjevic is, btw, one of my favorite players, he was many years playing in Spain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danilo, that was indeed a great team, probably the best European team ever. As I wrote on the post, it&#8217;s the European media that said it, not me <img src='http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  But probably in favor of the Spanish team is that they almost win, not only at half time, but at the end of the game. But yes, would have been great to have that Yugoslavia team around in 1992, although I don&#8217;t think they would have beaten the dream team, that&#8217;s still the best team in history.</p>
<p>Djordjevic is, btw, one of my favorite players, he was many years playing in Spain</p>
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		<title>By: Vytas</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2008/08/26/olympics-over/comment-page-1/#comment-739</link>
		<dc:creator>Vytas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spanish basketball team was brilliant indeed.

Sad thing for me though, as I&#039;m from Lithuania :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spanish basketball team was brilliant indeed.</p>
<p>Sad thing for me though, as I&#8217;m from Lithuania <img src='http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: opentiss</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2008/08/26/olympics-over/comment-page-1/#comment-738</link>
		<dc:creator>opentiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that some guys don&#039;t know China really and they usually look at any things that happen in China with bias aspect. To be frankly,  it is not fair. My friends and me believe that CHINA will show its more and more abilities to all the world in the near future; CHINA will be more beautiful, more lovely, because CHINA is doing its best to improve itself all the time.

very useful:
Prejudice goes hand in hand with ignorance.
Old prejudices die hard.
Don’t let your prejudice take over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that some guys don&#8217;t know China really and they usually look at any things that happen in China with bias aspect. To be frankly,  it is not fair. My friends and me believe that CHINA will show its more and more abilities to all the world in the near future; CHINA will be more beautiful, more lovely, because CHINA is doing its best to improve itself all the time.</p>
<p>very useful:<br />
Prejudice goes hand in hand with ignorance.<br />
Old prejudices die hard.<br />
Don’t let your prejudice take over.</p>
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		<title>By: Danilo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2008/08/26/olympics-over/comment-page-1/#comment-735</link>
		<dc:creator>Danilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not saying that this Spanish basketball team is not good, it&#039;s one hell of a team!

But... :)

As far as the best European team in basketball, I&#039;d still keep that to the Serbian (then Yugoslavia, but only of Serbia and Montenegro) team of Djordjevic, Danilovic, Bodiroga, Paspalj and Divac era (including guys like Zoran Savic, Sasa Obradovic, Zeljko Rebraca and Dejan Tomasevic).

If Yugoslavia didn&#039;t break up, and if there were not unfortunate cases like the death of Drazen Petrovic, a team combined from Croatia (Toni Kukoc, Dino Radja as prime examples, apart from Petrovic) and Serbia would be one which might even be a match for the NBA Dream Team in 1992 (Croatia did play the final against them, just like Serbia &amp; Montenegro did in Atlanta 1996 against a different &quot;Dream Team&quot; after we were allowed to participate again in competitions in 1995, and they both did a good job for at least one half of the game, with Serbia leading for the entire first half).

For example, Divac was already a well respected center in NBA in 1992 (in Lakers), Petrovic easily had 20ppg in NBA, just like Danilovic did a few years later. We all know that Kukoc was an important part to Michael Jordan-Pippen Bulls, and Djordjevic was one of the fastest playmakers in the world. And this has been a Yugoslavian team until 1991, when the final break up happened. I would have loved to have seen that team matched up against the real Dream Team.

The Serbia &amp; Montenegro teams that won the two world championships (1998 and 2002) are not nearly a match for the 1995-1997 team (which basically descends from the 1992 Euroleague champion Partizan, with Djordjevic scoring a last-second three-pointer over Joventut in the final for the win :).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not saying that this Spanish basketball team is not good, it&#8217;s one hell of a team!</p>
<p>But&#8230; <img src='http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As far as the best European team in basketball, I&#8217;d still keep that to the Serbian (then Yugoslavia, but only of Serbia and Montenegro) team of Djordjevic, Danilovic, Bodiroga, Paspalj and Divac era (including guys like Zoran Savic, Sasa Obradovic, Zeljko Rebraca and Dejan Tomasevic).</p>
<p>If Yugoslavia didn&#8217;t break up, and if there were not unfortunate cases like the death of Drazen Petrovic, a team combined from Croatia (Toni Kukoc, Dino Radja as prime examples, apart from Petrovic) and Serbia would be one which might even be a match for the NBA Dream Team in 1992 (Croatia did play the final against them, just like Serbia &amp; Montenegro did in Atlanta 1996 against a different &#8220;Dream Team&#8221; after we were allowed to participate again in competitions in 1995, and they both did a good job for at least one half of the game, with Serbia leading for the entire first half).</p>
<p>For example, Divac was already a well respected center in NBA in 1992 (in Lakers), Petrovic easily had 20ppg in NBA, just like Danilovic did a few years later. We all know that Kukoc was an important part to Michael Jordan-Pippen Bulls, and Djordjevic was one of the fastest playmakers in the world. And this has been a Yugoslavian team until 1991, when the final break up happened. I would have loved to have seen that team matched up against the real Dream Team.</p>
<p>The Serbia &amp; Montenegro teams that won the two world championships (1998 and 2002) are not nearly a match for the 1995-1997 team (which basically descends from the 1992 Euroleague champion Partizan, with Djordjevic scoring a last-second three-pointer over Joventut in the final for the win <img src='http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: rodrigo</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2008/08/26/olympics-over/comment-page-1/#comment-734</link>
		<dc:creator>rodrigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t know about the advantage in gymnastics, so yeah, you all convinced me on that :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t know about the advantage in gymnastics, so yeah, you all convinced me on that <img src='http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mschaef</title>
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		<dc:creator>mschaef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the issue is with the ages themselves. The issue is more with the fact that one of the rules of the specific sport might have been broken. Let&#039;s just say that you do believe that sub-16yo gymnasts are an advantage. If you honor the rule prohibiting young gymnasts, and I don&#039;t, then I have an unfair advantage. That&#039;s the core of the problem more than the ages. I don&#039;t think anybody would argue that the Chinese gymnasts did not outperform the rest of the field.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the issue is with the ages themselves. The issue is more with the fact that one of the rules of the specific sport might have been broken. Let&#8217;s just say that you do believe that sub-16yo gymnasts are an advantage. If you honor the rule prohibiting young gymnasts, and I don&#8217;t, then I have an unfair advantage. That&#8217;s the core of the problem more than the ages. I don&#8217;t think anybody would argue that the Chinese gymnasts did not outperform the rest of the field.</p>
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		<title>By: pachi</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2008/08/26/olympics-over/comment-page-1/#comment-732</link>
		<dc:creator>pachi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair, spain has half the population of France or Britain and 60% of that of Italy, and a recent history with less tradition of sports&amp;leisure... so, IMHO, it has performed quite well, even if we&#039;d like to see more medals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, spain has half the population of France or Britain and 60% of that of Italy, and a recent history with less tradition of sports&amp;leisure&#8230; so, IMHO, it has performed quite well, even if we&#8217;d like to see more medals.</p>
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		<title>By: John Drinkwater</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Drinkwater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It wasn’t so much their ages, but the fact they had fake passports so they could compete in events they were not allowed to. Different events, different age restrictions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wasn’t so much their ages, but the fact they had fake passports so they could compete in events they were not allowed to. Different events, different age restrictions.</p>
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