Comments on: Two Mice Are Better Than One

By: shaunm

shaunm — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:06:48 +0000

Jorge and Nicolas,
I actually used to use a trackball, many many years ago. I gave it up when I kept getting my ass kicked at Quake. Perhaps it’s time to try one again, since I don’t really play FPS games anymore.

By: Nicolas Mailhot

Nicolas Mailhot — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 11:54:47 +0000

You should try a trackball. They’re incredibly weird for mice users at first, but they’re a lot better for RSI, since they don’t require you moving your wrist all the time.

By: Anders Olsson

Anders Olsson — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 08:32:17 +0000

I was in the exact same situation a while back. I remember writing a python-script using HAL to find which /dev/input entry corresponded to which mouse (they weren’t the same on each boot) using the HAL-generated id. I then called xsetpointer and xset in the correct order to do what I want, which was switching the left and right buttons on the left mouse, I didn’t change the sensitivity. Then the python api changed and the script didn’t work and I don’t think I have it around anymore. It was all very hackish because there was no good support from X for using different settings for different pointing devices, but I think the support is better now.

I do believe extending the mouse preferences capplet to support several devices would be very useful for a growing number of gnome laptop users, and being able to use more than one pointing device is perhaps the single most effective way of reducing RSI.

I myself am using a total of six different pointing devices in different combinations. The trackpoint and touchpad of the laptop itself, a rollerbar mouse and regular mouse while docked at work, another mouse when travelling and another when docked at home.

I’m thinking the capplet should display a tab (or select box) for each pointing device currently attached. And all settings should then be mapped to for instance the HAL info.udi of that device. This way I could disconnect the device and it will not show in preferences and when I reconnect, my settings for that device would be brought back from the mapping. I don’t know how complex this would be to implement and I’m sure there are issues with usability and so on, but I sure think it would be useful, maybe a good candidate for the next Summer of Code?

By: Patrys

Patrys — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 08:28:54 +0000

I need coffee. I clearly do.

s/mouses/mice/

By: Patrys

Patrys — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 08:28:14 +0000

Jakub:

I believe this won’t work in Xorg 1.4. The new evdev driver ends up detecting 3 mouses and 2 keyboards with the above configuration and either touchpad or the mouse stops responding.

By: jorge

jorge — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 03:03:07 +0000

I’ve been using a trackball more and more. Logitech makes a nice one with 2 buttons + a scrollwheel on the right and the ball is all thumb.

I used to make fun of a a friend for using this trackball, but I have to tell you it’s really comfortable.

(Note, I don’t have RSI, but I used to get pretty “tired” using a mouse, but with the trackball I can go all day)

Here’s the url: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/trackballs/devices/166&cl=us,en

By: daniels

daniels — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 22:54:28 +0000

Harass ajax to put xorg-server 1.4.0 with working HAL hotplug in Rawhide, then you can use xmodmap (if not, it’s a small fix to xmodmap) to change your mice individually. Or you could patch the relevant capplet to work on multiple X devices.

By: nathan

nathan — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 22:00:49 +0000

actually, forget new configurations, learn to use your left pinky as the main button depressor. I have gotten really used to it actually, and I use a tablet stylus in the the right hand.

By: soeren says » Blog Archive » Two mice are sillier than none

soeren says » Blog Archive » Two mice are sillier than none — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 21:58:56 +0000

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By: Jakub Klawiter

Jakub Klawiter — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 21:02:22 +0000

Do you want something like (/etc/X11/xorg.conf):

Section “ServerLayout”
Identifier “X.org Configured”
Screen 0 “Screen0″ 0 0
InputDevice “Mouse0″ “CorePointer”
InputDevice “TouchPad” “AlwaysCore”
InputDevice “Keyboard0″ “CoreKeyboard”
EndSection

Section “InputDevice”
Identifier “Mouse0″
Driver “mouse”
Option “Protocol” “auto”
Option “Device” “/dev/input/mice” # mouse0
Option “ZAxisMapping” “4 5 6 7″
EndSection

Section “InputDevice”
Identifier “TouchPad”
Driver “synaptics”
Option “SHMConfig” “on”
Option “SendCoreEvents” “true”
Option “Protocol” “auto”
Option “Device” “/dev/input/mouse1″
Option “LeftEdge” “130″
Option “RightEdge” “840″
Option “TopEdge” “130″
Option “BottomEdge” “640″
Option “FingerLow” “7″
Option “FingerHigh” “8″
Option “MaxTapTime” “180″
Option “MinTapTime” “110″
Option “ClickTime” “0″
Option “EmulateMidButtonTime” “75″
Option “VertScrollDelta” “20″
Option “HorizScrollDelta” “20″
Option “MinSpeed” “0.40″
Option “MaxSpeed” “0.65″
Option “AccelFactor” “0.030″
Option “EdgeMotionMinSpeed” “200″
Option “EdgeMotionMaxSpeed” “200″
Option “UpDownScrolling” “1″
Option “CircularScrolling” “1″
Option “CircScrollDelta” “0.1″
Option “CircScrollTrigger” “3″
Option “Emulate3Buttons” “on”
Option “VertEdgeScroll” “on”
EndSection