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		<title>Comment on Survey, shmurvey by Martin Coxall</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/sudaltsov/2011/10/19/survey-shmurvey/comment-page-1/#comment-901</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Coxall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 08:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If and only if GNOME-shell stops being a steaming pile of suck, perhaps.

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		<title>Comment on Survey, shmurvey by Luca Ferretti</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/sudaltsov/2011/10/19/survey-shmurvey/comment-page-1/#comment-900</link>
		<dc:creator>Luca Ferretti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 18:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>doh, sorry... s/desktop\ devel/gnome-design/

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		<title>Comment on Survey, shmurvey by Luca Ferretti</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/sudaltsov/2011/10/19/survey-shmurvey/comment-page-1/#comment-899</link>
		<dc:creator>Luca Ferretti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 18:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A diary study on new designs could be appreciated too. By now the only proof you have they work is &quot;we discussed on desktop devel chan&quot;.

However, yes, it&#039;s sad seeing the transformation from &quot;community&quot; to... dunno... &quot;corporation wannabe&quot;?

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<p>However, yes, it&#8217;s sad seeing the transformation from &#8220;community&#8221; to&#8230; dunno&#8230; &#8220;corporation wannabe&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Survey, shmurvey by Oat</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/sudaltsov/2011/10/19/survey-shmurvey/comment-page-1/#comment-898</link>
		<dc:creator>Oat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an Enterprise Admin and love the new Gnome. I have tried/used just about every OS for the past 15 years. 

I have a questions for all of the Gnome detractors. Do you get out much? I ask because Microsoft is currently taking a sledge hammer to the current Windows interface. If you want to see change in the wrong direction, go download a free pre-release Windows 8 iso and marvel at the (awful) changes. People are still trying to figure out how to close a program.

My point is that desktops as we know them are changing. Please allow Gnome and the others to due the same and pick the one that works for you. Most linux users I predict will be using completely different desktops like Gnome 3 in the next two years because that is where the entire IT world is going. Linux for once, thanks to Gnome, is leading the way with this transition.

I still remember the early days of Gnome and how people would complain and complain, but it just continued to improve. I think Gnome 3 will be the same.

Keep up the good work Gnome developers. There are people who appreciate using a product that they paid nothing for.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an Enterprise Admin and love the new Gnome. I have tried/used just about every OS for the past 15 years. </p>
<p>I have a questions for all of the Gnome detractors. Do you get out much? I ask because Microsoft is currently taking a sledge hammer to the current Windows interface. If you want to see change in the wrong direction, go download a free pre-release Windows 8 iso and marvel at the (awful) changes. People are still trying to figure out how to close a program.</p>
<p>My point is that desktops as we know them are changing. Please allow Gnome and the others to due the same and pick the one that works for you. Most linux users I predict will be using completely different desktops like Gnome 3 in the next two years because that is where the entire IT world is going. Linux for once, thanks to Gnome, is leading the way with this transition.</p>
<p>I still remember the early days of Gnome and how people would complain and complain, but it just continued to improve. I think Gnome 3 will be the same.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work Gnome developers. There are people who appreciate using a product that they paid nothing for.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Survey, shmurvey by Baybal</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/sudaltsov/2011/10/19/survey-shmurvey/comment-page-1/#comment-897</link>
		<dc:creator>Baybal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gnome 3 does not have a commitment to quality.

The development of G3 is lead by a group of people who has hijacked the project and is ignoring feedback of the rest 90% contributors.

Gnome heads into nowhere. We are loosing key, talented developers.

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<p>The development of G3 is lead by a group of people who has hijacked the project and is ignoring feedback of the rest 90% contributors.</p>
<p>Gnome heads into nowhere. We are loosing key, talented developers.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Survey, shmurvey by Baybal</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/sudaltsov/2011/10/19/survey-shmurvey/comment-page-1/#comment-896</link>
		<dc:creator>Baybal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gnome 3 is not a move forward, it&#039;s move towards necrosoft, sco and apple

Supporters of G3 are advocating false values.

Customers know better what to use.

If USA market wasn&#039;t protectionist that much, microsoft would&#039;ve been swept away by webtron back in nineties.

American model of active marketing is a contagious disease . It fail products: American cars, American vacuum cleaners, TV magz, Amercan styled smartpones.

Quality and not hype makes a good product. G3 is a bad product: it&#039;s a lot of hype and not much of use.

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<p>Supporters of G3 are advocating false values.</p>
<p>Customers know better what to use.</p>
<p>If USA market wasn&#8217;t protectionist that much, microsoft would&#8217;ve been swept away by webtron back in nineties.</p>
<p>American model of active marketing is a contagious disease . It fail products: American cars, American vacuum cleaners, TV magz, Amercan styled smartpones.</p>
<p>Quality and not hype makes a good product. G3 is a bad product: it&#8217;s a lot of hype and not much of use.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Survey, shmurvey by Rexx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rexx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 15:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys are treating all people unhappy with GNOME 3.x as if they all were &quot;haters&quot;, and continue your ride on the &quot;we are innovating!&quot; high horse. Points like those made by aka and others in this same thread are fair criticism, but you decided that it&#039;d be better to ignore them. No, it&#039;s not that people &quot;have to absorb GNOME 3.x&quot; (doesn&#039;t that clash with &quot;the desktop should be unobtrusive&quot; mantra). No, it&#039;s not that people hating change should just go away (&quot;there are so many desktops you can move to&quot; &gt;_&lt;): if I still bother reading planet Gnome it&#039;s because I loved Gnome 2.x and still have hope that something will change in your attitude. If not, then it will be really time to look at something else.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are treating all people unhappy with GNOME 3.x as if they all were &#8220;haters&#8221;, and continue your ride on the &#8220;we are innovating!&#8221; high horse. Points like those made by aka and others in this same thread are fair criticism, but you decided that it&#8217;d be better to ignore them. No, it&#8217;s not that people &#8220;have to absorb GNOME 3.x&#8221; (doesn&#8217;t that clash with &#8220;the desktop should be unobtrusive&#8221; mantra). No, it&#8217;s not that people hating change should just go away (&#8220;there are so many desktops you can move to&#8221; &gt;_&lt;): if I still bother reading planet Gnome it&#039;s because I loved Gnome 2.x and still have hope that something will change in your attitude. If not, then it will be really time to look at something else.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Survey, shmurvey by John Lewis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/sudaltsov/2011/10/19/survey-shmurvey/comment-page-1/#comment-894</link>
		<dc:creator>John Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 12:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as a mere user of computers I&#039;d like to add my 2 pennyworth of thoughts.

My &#039;use&#039; of computers goes back to around 1990 when I was able to play with Concurrent CP/M on Merlin M2215 boxes at work, which led me to becoming a 25 user Novell Netowrk manager.

I first used Linux around 1993/4 with set of floppy disks I&#039;d downloaded from my OS/2 based system. My first recorded purchase of Linus was LinuxFT from Lasermoon in 1995 but got RedHat 5.0 the same year and used the distro until about 2002/3 when I switched to Debian Woody. I have been a Debian user ever since with Sid on two boxes and Squeeze on another box and two laptops.

I used WindowMaker for quite a few years but switched to the Debian&#039;s default Gnome when I got an AMD 64 bit system a couple of years ago.   

At last I get to the reason for making this comment - I had no knowledge of the survey being run by 
Phoronix until I read your blog on Planet Gnome, I didn&#039;t and still don&#039;t know who Phoronix are but I did fill in the survey once I knew it existed.

I have also read the Gnome devs comments and their responses confirm my opinion that they are an autocratic and pig-headed bunch who don&#039;t really care about users but are determined to impose their ideas on hapless users.

I am trying to like Gnome 3 but finding it difficult, as a result I am inclined to dump it and move to XFCE4.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as a mere user of computers I&#8217;d like to add my 2 pennyworth of thoughts.</p>
<p>My &#8216;use&#8217; of computers goes back to around 1990 when I was able to play with Concurrent CP/M on Merlin M2215 boxes at work, which led me to becoming a 25 user Novell Netowrk manager.</p>
<p>I first used Linux around 1993/4 with set of floppy disks I&#8217;d downloaded from my OS/2 based system. My first recorded purchase of Linus was LinuxFT from Lasermoon in 1995 but got RedHat 5.0 the same year and used the distro until about 2002/3 when I switched to Debian Woody. I have been a Debian user ever since with Sid on two boxes and Squeeze on another box and two laptops.</p>
<p>I used WindowMaker for quite a few years but switched to the Debian&#8217;s default Gnome when I got an AMD 64 bit system a couple of years ago.   </p>
<p>At last I get to the reason for making this comment &#8211; I had no knowledge of the survey being run by<br />
Phoronix until I read your blog on Planet Gnome, I didn&#8217;t and still don&#8217;t know who Phoronix are but I did fill in the survey once I knew it existed.</p>
<p>I have also read the Gnome devs comments and their responses confirm my opinion that they are an autocratic and pig-headed bunch who don&#8217;t really care about users but are determined to impose their ideas on hapless users.</p>
<p>I am trying to like Gnome 3 but finding it difficult, as a result I am inclined to dump it and move to XFCE4.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Survey, shmurvey by Cual es el verdadero problema detrás de GNOME 3 y su Shell? &#124; el mundo según Linux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cual es el verdadero problema detrás de GNOME 3 y su Shell? &#124; el mundo según Linux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 06:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] una entrada publicada en su blog, Sergey Udaltsov habla acerca de una encuesta que actualmente se lleva a cabo en el sitio web de Phoronix, donde [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Survey, shmurvey by nona</title>
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		<dc:creator>nona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 23:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m using Gnome 3.x on Debian since ... beginning summer I think? I like it enough to not want to go back to Gnome2, it does some things really well, and feels very polished.

I have some issues with it; I think they all have been reported before, I subscribed to them on the bugzilla etc - no need to bring them up ad infinitum. I had hoped a lot/most of these would be fixed by 3.2 - but it seems a great deal of them are actually by design.

I also believe you listening to your users won&#039;t yield the best design, or even a good one. The aggregate opinion of users is all over the place, trying to cater to them all will yield something mediocre.

The question then becomes: how do the Gnome designers know when the design of a feature is wrong? How do they know when it&#039;s necessary to make adjustments? What drives them to evolve and improve? Apple had no trouble killing their own stuff and replacing it with something better; they were their own worst critics. What I keep hearing from the Gnome designers is &quot;stay the course&quot; - and as a Gnome user, that scares me a bit.

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<p>I have some issues with it; I think they all have been reported before, I subscribed to them on the bugzilla etc &#8211; no need to bring them up ad infinitum. I had hoped a lot/most of these would be fixed by 3.2 &#8211; but it seems a great deal of them are actually by design.</p>
<p>I also believe you listening to your users won&#8217;t yield the best design, or even a good one. The aggregate opinion of users is all over the place, trying to cater to them all will yield something mediocre.</p>
<p>The question then becomes: how do the Gnome designers know when the design of a feature is wrong? How do they know when it&#8217;s necessary to make adjustments? What drives them to evolve and improve? Apple had no trouble killing their own stuff and replacing it with something better; they were their own worst critics. What I keep hearing from the Gnome designers is &#8220;stay the course&#8221; &#8211; and as a Gnome user, that scares me a bit.</p>
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