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		<title>By: Tester</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/tvb/2007/03/27/why-compute/comment-page-1/#comment-3</link>
		<dc:creator>Tester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you are doing is creating wealth. You are creating something that has tremendous value out of your brain.  And by doing that, you enable to economy to expand. And you get some of that wealth, which you can spend stuff which will make the economy work. And this whole thing prevents us from being part of the third world and allows us collectively to do things that are good (or bad for that matter).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you are doing is creating wealth. You are creating something that has tremendous value out of your brain.  And by doing that, you enable to economy to expand. And you get some of that wealth, which you can spend stuff which will make the economy work. And this whole thing prevents us from being part of the third world and allows us collectively to do things that are good (or bad for that matter).</p>
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		<title>By: Lion Kimbro</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/tvb/2007/03/27/why-compute/comment-page-1/#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>Lion Kimbro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  What do you want?&lt;p/&gt;2.  What is a good use of time?&lt;br/&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  What do you want?
<p />2.  What is a good use of time?</p>
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		<title>By: Lion Kimbro</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/tvb/2007/03/27/why-compute/comment-page-1/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>Lion Kimbro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I mean is:  Whether computing is of some use to you or not, depends on what you want.  I would make my highest priority the determination of: what you want to do, what you want to be, and so on.&lt;p/&gt;I wouldn&#039;t ask people to persuade you that computing is helpful or not-- I would determine what I wanted on my own, independently.  From there, it should be clear whether computing is part of your vision or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I mean is:  Whether computing is of some use to you or not, depends on what you want.  I would make my highest priority the determination of: what you want to do, what you want to be, and so on.
<p />I wouldn&#8217;t ask people to persuade you that computing is helpful or not&#8211; I would determine what I wanted on my own, independently.  From there, it should be clear whether computing is part of your vision or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Tristan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/tvb/2007/03/27/why-compute/comment-page-1/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>Tristan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in reply to Tester:&lt;p/&gt;The world is separated between those who have power and &lt;br/&gt;those who dont, so long as there are people who are greedy &lt;br/&gt;and care about having power &amp; wealth - those people will be &lt;br/&gt;in power.&lt;p/&gt;However, those who spend their lives building power &amp; wealth&lt;br/&gt;must have missed the point - in life one must have &lt;br/&gt;convictions, joy, pain and share these human experiences...&lt;br/&gt;lest they end up on their mountain of riches looking back&lt;br/&gt;on what they might have actually done with their lives.&lt;p/&gt;The same can be seen to apply to a society as a whole,&lt;br/&gt;what is the meaning/value of being more technologically &lt;br/&gt;advanced than the next nation ?&lt;p/&gt;In reply to Lion:&lt;p/&gt;Yes you hit the nail on the head, its obvious to me that&lt;br/&gt;computing is not a part of my vision, but I&#039;ve been hacking&lt;br/&gt;for so long that its become a crutch - it would also be&lt;br/&gt;interesting to hear about it if anyone on the planet is a&lt;br/&gt;hacker for any reasons that they could share - why THEY&lt;br/&gt;believe that hacking will improve the world - maybe that &lt;br/&gt;would help improve my own vision of the world.&lt;br/&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in reply to Tester:
<p />The world is separated between those who have power and <br />those who dont, so long as there are people who are greedy <br />and care about having power &amp; wealth &#8211; those people will be <br />in power.
<p />However, those who spend their lives building power &amp; wealth<br />must have missed the point &#8211; in life one must have <br />convictions, joy, pain and share these human experiences&#8230;<br />lest they end up on their mountain of riches looking back<br />on what they might have actually done with their lives.
<p />The same can be seen to apply to a society as a whole,<br />what is the meaning/value of being more technologically <br />advanced than the next nation ?
<p />In reply to Lion:
<p />Yes you hit the nail on the head, its obvious to me that<br />computing is not a part of my vision, but I&#8217;ve been hacking<br />for so long that its become a crutch &#8211; it would also be<br />interesting to hear about it if anyone on the planet is a<br />hacker for any reasons that they could share &#8211; why THEY<br />believe that hacking will improve the world &#8211; maybe that <br />would help improve my own vision of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Gervais</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/tvb/2007/03/27/why-compute/comment-page-1/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>Gervais</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hacking is like plumbing. You always need a plumber and it isn&#039;t always obvious how the plumber has contributed to world peace...Until your toilet backs up.&lt;p/&gt;For some its a calling, but either way its like hunting was back in the day. Not that I really know what hunting was like, but I can appreciate the simple joy that a hunter must feel during the hunt. I also can&#039;t think of a direct analogy to hacking, but maybe hunting was/is like debugging. Or rowing a boat, who knows... Its seems like its all about finding meaning in the uphill battle.&lt;p/&gt;The success of any hacking session will be determined entirely on how well you are able to visualize the problem space. It isn&#039;t even about finding a solution, its about creating as complete a map of the problem space in order to go from one blissful state of eureka to another (not sure how that happens, but not sure either how to purposefully trigger eureka moments).&lt;p/&gt;Why do you think some of the poorest nations in the world are also the happiest? Or why the fanatic can be so completely committed to their objective? Its because to them, the problem space is fully mapped. Which isn&#039;t to say they don&#039;t have doubts or fear, but that the only solution is to move forward. The only solution is to be...from one moment to the next with nothing in between. I think enlightenment is when you realize that even moments are full of nothing.&lt;p/&gt;The same way you can express yourself and allow others to realize their potential by observing you break dance, is the same way a hack can express your individuality. A only difference is that computing is available to more people than break dancing. Even grand parents can realize their potential by using an application you hacked together. Maybe they use your jukebox to listen to music they loved as kids, streamed from some corner office in a country where English not the native language, but where music is still universal.&lt;p/&gt;Its hard to measure the full impact that computing has, but at the very least it is changing the way we communicate in part by re-appropriating some of our ancient communication devices (reading, writing).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hacking is like plumbing. You always need a plumber and it isn&#8217;t always obvious how the plumber has contributed to world peace&#8230;Until your toilet backs up.
<p />For some its a calling, but either way its like hunting was back in the day. Not that I really know what hunting was like, but I can appreciate the simple joy that a hunter must feel during the hunt. I also can&#8217;t think of a direct analogy to hacking, but maybe hunting was/is like debugging. Or rowing a boat, who knows&#8230; Its seems like its all about finding meaning in the uphill battle.
<p />The success of any hacking session will be determined entirely on how well you are able to visualize the problem space. It isn&#8217;t even about finding a solution, its about creating as complete a map of the problem space in order to go from one blissful state of eureka to another (not sure how that happens, but not sure either how to purposefully trigger eureka moments).
<p />Why do you think some of the poorest nations in the world are also the happiest? Or why the fanatic can be so completely committed to their objective? Its because to them, the problem space is fully mapped. Which isn&#8217;t to say they don&#8217;t have doubts or fear, but that the only solution is to move forward. The only solution is to be&#8230;from one moment to the next with nothing in between. I think enlightenment is when you realize that even moments are full of nothing.
<p />The same way you can express yourself and allow others to realize their potential by observing you break dance, is the same way a hack can express your individuality. A only difference is that computing is available to more people than break dancing. Even grand parents can realize their potential by using an application you hacked together. Maybe they use your jukebox to listen to music they loved as kids, streamed from some corner office in a country where English not the native language, but where music is still universal.
<p />Its hard to measure the full impact that computing has, but at the very least it is changing the way we communicate in part by re-appropriating some of our ancient communication devices (reading, writing).</p>
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		<title>By: Lion Kimbro</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/tvb/2007/03/27/why-compute/comment-page-1/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Lion Kimbro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think of software as an extension of the human body -- then the value of Free Software is clear:  Would you really want your right arm to be owned by Microsoft?&lt;p/&gt;The countries of the world have alternatives to Microsoft.  Doesn&#039;t this give them a stronger, more autonomous position in the world?&lt;p/&gt;New ways grow where things are growing;  They do not compete against established powers.  If your business is freedom and autonomy, the growing global cybernetic infrastructure is clearly attractive:  Better to do your work when things are forming, rather than when they&#039;re actually formed.&lt;br/&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think of software as an extension of the human body &#8212; then the value of Free Software is clear:  Would you really want your right arm to be owned by Microsoft?
<p />The countries of the world have alternatives to Microsoft.  Doesn&#8217;t this give them a stronger, more autonomous position in the world?
<p />New ways grow where things are growing;  They do not compete against established powers.  If your business is freedom and autonomy, the growing global cybernetic infrastructure is clearly attractive:  Better to do your work when things are forming, rather than when they&#8217;re actually formed.</p>
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		<title>By: Tristan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/tvb/2007/03/27/why-compute/comment-page-1/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Tristan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gervais:&lt;p/&gt;Very interesting comments - I dont have enough first hand&lt;br/&gt;experience with third world nations to really say that they&lt;br/&gt;are happier - but I would definitly expect them to be, as&lt;br/&gt;they obviously have better things to do than exploit other&lt;br/&gt;nations for their cheap labor and resources.&lt;p/&gt;I also suppose that computing in general can be seen as&lt;br/&gt;a modern analogy of the postal system or the telephone -&lt;br/&gt;this can be used in positive and negative ways - myspace.com&lt;br/&gt;is a good example of how independant artists can network&lt;br/&gt;together and advertize without the aid of mass media &lt;br/&gt;corporations (which in turn, have their own uses of the&lt;br/&gt;internet &amp; computing world).&lt;p/&gt;One point I&#039;d like to make is that I believe breakdance&lt;br/&gt;is in fact available to more people than computing - it&lt;br/&gt;only takes motivation to breakdance, you are not required&lt;br/&gt;to purchase a piece of hardware or do any dealings with &lt;br/&gt;an isp or anything - to show people that after years of&lt;br/&gt;dedication I&#039;ve managed to accomplish something - is to&lt;br/&gt;show them that they dont need to follow the program or&lt;br/&gt;work for a company who&#039;s ideals do not fit with their&lt;br/&gt;philosophy... in short - many people live under the illusion&lt;br/&gt;that social security is more important than freedom of&lt;br/&gt;expression.&lt;p/&gt;Whether the programmer is essentially useful as a plumber&lt;br/&gt;is useful is debatable, that all depends on whether you&lt;br/&gt;think plumbing or computing are needed in your way of life.&lt;br/&gt;plumbing is obviously a good thing when it comes to living&lt;br/&gt;in large communities such as cities, computing on the other&lt;br/&gt;hand has many negative impacts that go along with some&lt;br/&gt;arguably positive impacts on the world.&lt;p/&gt;Consider that the information that is the internet is a&lt;br/&gt;collective of all sorts of imagined ideas of humanity -&lt;br/&gt;kind of like a huge interactive library... if a monk were&lt;br/&gt;to dedicate their life to the understanding of a library&lt;br/&gt;and always have their nose in the books - thats their&lt;br/&gt;perogative, meanwhile life goes on outside all around us&lt;br/&gt;and every moment spent tinkering with this imaginary world&lt;br/&gt;of our own invention is a moment we could have spent in&lt;br/&gt;real life... a moment that we could have been using the&lt;br/&gt;body that was given us at birth instead of wastefully&lt;br/&gt;throwing it into a comfortable armchair...&lt;p/&gt;I am sorry to express my negative views but this was&lt;br/&gt;really my sentiment when I posted it, I am glad to hear&lt;br/&gt;and share your philosophical views though.&lt;br/&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gervais:
<p />Very interesting comments &#8211; I dont have enough first hand<br />experience with third world nations to really say that they<br />are happier &#8211; but I would definitly expect them to be, as<br />they obviously have better things to do than exploit other<br />nations for their cheap labor and resources.
<p />I also suppose that computing in general can be seen as<br />a modern analogy of the postal system or the telephone -<br />this can be used in positive and negative ways &#8211; myspace.com<br />is a good example of how independant artists can network<br />together and advertize without the aid of mass media <br />corporations (which in turn, have their own uses of the<br />internet &amp; computing world).
<p />One point I&#8217;d like to make is that I believe breakdance<br />is in fact available to more people than computing &#8211; it<br />only takes motivation to breakdance, you are not required<br />to purchase a piece of hardware or do any dealings with <br />an isp or anything &#8211; to show people that after years of<br />dedication I&#8217;ve managed to accomplish something &#8211; is to<br />show them that they dont need to follow the program or<br />work for a company who&#8217;s ideals do not fit with their<br />philosophy&#8230; in short &#8211; many people live under the illusion<br />that social security is more important than freedom of<br />expression.
<p />Whether the programmer is essentially useful as a plumber<br />is useful is debatable, that all depends on whether you<br />think plumbing or computing are needed in your way of life.<br />plumbing is obviously a good thing when it comes to living<br />in large communities such as cities, computing on the other<br />hand has many negative impacts that go along with some<br />arguably positive impacts on the world.
<p />Consider that the information that is the internet is a<br />collective of all sorts of imagined ideas of humanity -<br />kind of like a huge interactive library&#8230; if a monk were<br />to dedicate their life to the understanding of a library<br />and always have their nose in the books &#8211; thats their<br />perogative, meanwhile life goes on outside all around us<br />and every moment spent tinkering with this imaginary world<br />of our own invention is a moment we could have spent in<br />real life&#8230; a moment that we could have been using the<br />body that was given us at birth instead of wastefully<br />throwing it into a comfortable armchair&#8230;
<p />I am sorry to express my negative views but this was<br />really my sentiment when I posted it, I am glad to hear<br />and share your philosophical views though.</p>
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