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		<title>By: tvb</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/tvb/2009/11/09/another-rant-about-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-64</link>
		<dc:creator>tvb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
    First thanks for taking an interest and looking at the Glade project.

So, to try to answer all your questions ... yes I am the sole maintainer of Glade, I&#039;ve
had help on and off but unfortunately nobody &quot;stuck&quot;, which is essentially what drives
me nuts and makes me completely bored of developing Glade.

Glade keeps bugs in bugzilla.gnome.org, launchpad sometimes pushes bugs to bugzilla but
I&#039;m not exactly sure how that works, for the record gnome bugs go to gnome bugzilla in
order to hit the inboxes of gnome developers. (and svn is old news, the active repository
is the git repo).

I&#039;m not sure what to answer for is there a major future, here are some futures possible:

   - Somebody finds the time to iron out some small kinks left and right, update Glade
      for latest version of GTK+, fix some segfaults etc - this is doable for a single hacker
      in his spare time over the course of 6 months, or a paid developer should take less
      than a month to get a Glade that doesnt ever ever crash and doesnt have those
      annoying glitches when trying to click on the i18n dialog from a treeview data
      row editor which does custom focus handling etc etc.

Thats a really lame future, one which at this point really disinterests me.

The good scenario:

  - We decide to do something with the code, and implement the stuff outlined
     at http://live.gnome.org/Glade/Roadmap, the most important thing to do
     to ensure that Glade has a &quot;major future&quot;; is to drop the GTK+ dependency from
     the core, develop an at least basic Clutter plugin, an example plugin of Nbtk or
     something like - maybe even push for toolkit libraries to maintain their own
     plugin library to Glade (possible candidates could be GTK+/Clutter/goocanvas ...).

     Would also be a very good idea to start implementing the glue catalogs and figuring
     how they would interact with the workspace (i.e. with a GTK+ and a Clutter catalog
     running together, you want to embed back and forth, having the Clutter catalog
     define the workspace toplevel for Clutter toplevels, and GTK+ define/create the
     toplevel workspace widget for GtkWindow types).

     Another thing important for the future but less urgent is the custom widget stuff outlined
     in the roadmap, I&#039;m convinced that already if we were to stay with boring GTK+ only, and
     do some fancy integration with python or other bindings, possibly putting that code in
     Anjuta or something, we could achieve the same level of integration that you get using
     Interface Builder with Xcode on OSX, without being stuck with nextstep (Cocoa) - and creating
     completely portable GTK+ code (so yes, I think to stay in the water for now we have
     to AT LEAST BEAT OSX, since its so damn easy and within our grasp)

There are alot of milestones towards an awesome kickass version of Glade, and they really
arent that hard to achieve, but I need hackers, I need someone who is going to give me one night
a week for a year, or someone who is in between jobs and is going to crack down on a feature
for a month - a few of those, only a few - and we are back on our feet.

So thats the state of the union ;-)

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
    First thanks for taking an interest and looking at the Glade project.</p>
<p>So, to try to answer all your questions &#8230; yes I am the sole maintainer of Glade, I&#8217;ve<br />
had help on and off but unfortunately nobody &#8220;stuck&#8221;, which is essentially what drives<br />
me nuts and makes me completely bored of developing Glade.</p>
<p>Glade keeps bugs in bugzilla.gnome.org, launchpad sometimes pushes bugs to bugzilla but<br />
I&#8217;m not exactly sure how that works, for the record gnome bugs go to gnome bugzilla in<br />
order to hit the inboxes of gnome developers. (and svn is old news, the active repository<br />
is the git repo).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what to answer for is there a major future, here are some futures possible:</p>
<p>   &#8211; Somebody finds the time to iron out some small kinks left and right, update Glade<br />
      for latest version of GTK+, fix some segfaults etc &#8211; this is doable for a single hacker<br />
      in his spare time over the course of 6 months, or a paid developer should take less<br />
      than a month to get a Glade that doesnt ever ever crash and doesnt have those<br />
      annoying glitches when trying to click on the i18n dialog from a treeview data<br />
      row editor which does custom focus handling etc etc.</p>
<p>Thats a really lame future, one which at this point really disinterests me.</p>
<p>The good scenario:</p>
<p>  &#8211; We decide to do something with the code, and implement the stuff outlined<br />
     at <a href="http://live.gnome.org/Glade/Roadmap" rel="nofollow">http://live.gnome.org/Glade/Roadmap</a>, the most important thing to do<br />
     to ensure that Glade has a &#8220;major future&#8221;; is to drop the GTK+ dependency from<br />
     the core, develop an at least basic Clutter plugin, an example plugin of Nbtk or<br />
     something like &#8211; maybe even push for toolkit libraries to maintain their own<br />
     plugin library to Glade (possible candidates could be GTK+/Clutter/goocanvas &#8230;).</p>
<p>     Would also be a very good idea to start implementing the glue catalogs and figuring<br />
     how they would interact with the workspace (i.e. with a GTK+ and a Clutter catalog<br />
     running together, you want to embed back and forth, having the Clutter catalog<br />
     define the workspace toplevel for Clutter toplevels, and GTK+ define/create the<br />
     toplevel workspace widget for GtkWindow types).</p>
<p>     Another thing important for the future but less urgent is the custom widget stuff outlined<br />
     in the roadmap, I&#8217;m convinced that already if we were to stay with boring GTK+ only, and<br />
     do some fancy integration with python or other bindings, possibly putting that code in<br />
     Anjuta or something, we could achieve the same level of integration that you get using<br />
     Interface Builder with Xcode on OSX, without being stuck with nextstep (Cocoa) &#8211; and creating<br />
     completely portable GTK+ code (so yes, I think to stay in the water for now we have<br />
     to AT LEAST BEAT OSX, since its so damn easy and within our grasp)</p>
<p>There are alot of milestones towards an awesome kickass version of Glade, and they really<br />
arent that hard to achieve, but I need hackers, I need someone who is going to give me one night<br />
a week for a year, or someone who is in between jobs and is going to crack down on a feature<br />
for a month &#8211; a few of those, only a few &#8211; and we are back on our feet.</p>
<p>So thats the state of the union <img src='http://blogs.gnome.org/tvb/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-wink.png' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Merriam</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/tvb/2009/11/09/another-rant-about-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Merriam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Glade does have its bugs and learning curve.   I&#039;ve spent the last week just making a dialog to get a couple numbers to add together.  I noticed a half dozen bugs in Glade:  some crashes leaving in unfixable states but mostly just nits.

So, how do we fix these?  I took a guess and submitted a bug/patch on the smallest nit I could find (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=607339).  Still, it&#039;s a guess that it goes anywhere.  Glade seems to keep bugs in launchpad, glade.gnome.org, bugzilla, with source control under git and svn.  As far as the log goes, it seems you are maintaining Glade by itself.   

Is there a major future to Glade?  The underlying GTK widgets appear fragile, as in the bug you mentioned.  I mean, is it really Glade&#039;s fault that an editable, numeric spin box doesn&#039;t understand that typing a number outside of bounds is bad?   Or that devhelp changed its undocumented search interface and also fails to account for its menu bar?  I don&#039;t know the future, but I send up the little patches I make to keep it running while I use it or even put together a better tutorial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Glade does have its bugs and learning curve.   I&#8217;ve spent the last week just making a dialog to get a couple numbers to add together.  I noticed a half dozen bugs in Glade:  some crashes leaving in unfixable states but mostly just nits.</p>
<p>So, how do we fix these?  I took a guess and submitted a bug/patch on the smallest nit I could find (<a href="https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=607339" rel="nofollow">https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=607339</a>).  Still, it&#8217;s a guess that it goes anywhere.  Glade seems to keep bugs in launchpad, glade.gnome.org, bugzilla, with source control under git and svn.  As far as the log goes, it seems you are maintaining Glade by itself.   </p>
<p>Is there a major future to Glade?  The underlying GTK widgets appear fragile, as in the bug you mentioned.  I mean, is it really Glade&#8217;s fault that an editable, numeric spin box doesn&#8217;t understand that typing a number outside of bounds is bad?   Or that devhelp changed its undocumented search interface and also fails to account for its menu bar?  I don&#8217;t know the future, but I send up the little patches I make to keep it running while I use it or even put together a better tutorial.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/tvb/2009/11/09/another-rant-about-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yah, while Glade remains somewhat rough, it is also delightfully powerful and capable.  Thanks for helping provide so useful a tool!  There are things I&#039;d like to patch, there&#039;s just never enough time for everything :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yah, while Glade remains somewhat rough, it is also delightfully powerful and capable.  Thanks for helping provide so useful a tool!  There are things I&#8217;d like to patch, there&#8217;s just never enough time for everything <img src='http://blogs.gnome.org/tvb/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-sad.png' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Marius Gedminas</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/tvb/2009/11/09/another-rant-about-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>Marius Gedminas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glade rules.  I&#039;ve used it in the past for a few small PyGtk projects, and I wouldn&#039;t want to go back to assembling widgets by hand in code.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glade rules.  I&#8217;ve used it in the past for a few small PyGtk projects, and I wouldn&#8217;t want to go back to assembling widgets by hand in code.</p>
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		<title>By: tvb</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/tvb/2009/11/09/another-rant-about-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>tvb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, thanks thats really very flattering.

The best way to send a patch will be in bugzilla.gnome.org, product:glade3.

send any questions you might have to glade-devel@ximian.com, I&#039;m often on irc
but list activity somehow seems help the project in itself.

I was going to say in so many words: man theres a mountain of problems in that
buglist, more than Glade has seen since I worked on it, and its because of all the
GtkBuilder support that came all at once, with little or no testing or review, its
mostly working ok under the hood, but on the surface its really immature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, thanks thats really very flattering.</p>
<p>The best way to send a patch will be in bugzilla.gnome.org, product:glade3.</p>
<p>send any questions you might have to <a href="mailto:glade-devel@ximian.com">glade-devel@ximian.com</a>, I&#8217;m often on irc<br />
but list activity somehow seems help the project in itself.</p>
<p>I was going to say in so many words: man theres a mountain of problems in that<br />
buglist, more than Glade has seen since I worked on it, and its because of all the<br />
GtkBuilder support that came all at once, with little or no testing or review, its<br />
mostly working ok under the hood, but on the surface its really immature.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Peitsch</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/tvb/2009/11/09/another-rant-about-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Peitsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to say don&#039;t give up hope as well :)

Glade is an integral part of Ubuntu&#039;s new Quickly suite... and one of my favourite programs under linux.

I wasn&#039;t aware it didn&#039;t have a good dev community working on it... I will definitely keep my eyes open for potential to scratch my own itches :).

What&#039;s the best way to contribute patches to you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to say don&#8217;t give up hope as well <img src='http://blogs.gnome.org/tvb/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Glade is an integral part of Ubuntu&#8217;s new Quickly suite&#8230; and one of my favourite programs under linux.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t aware it didn&#8217;t have a good dev community working on it&#8230; I will definitely keep my eyes open for potential to scratch my own itches <img src='http://blogs.gnome.org/tvb/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the best way to contribute patches to you?</p>
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		<title>By: Pavel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/tvb/2009/11/09/another-rant-about-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-53</link>
		<dc:creator>Pavel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is an example how Gobject bites you. Did you notice that the guy written his script in Python? Maybe he also just uses Glade from Python.
And for a Python programmer Gobjectified C code just looks like the ugliest Perl code to you. So please dont jump onto too quick conclusions...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is an example how Gobject bites you. Did you notice that the guy written his script in Python? Maybe he also just uses Glade from Python.<br />
And for a Python programmer Gobjectified C code just looks like the ugliest Perl code to you. So please dont jump onto too quick conclusions&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Raphael</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/tvb/2009/11/09/another-rant-about-nothing/comment-page-1/#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator>Raphael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:D You guys rock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://blogs.gnome.org/tvb/wp-content/mu-plugins/tango-smilies/tango/face-smile-big.png' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  You guys rock.</p>
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