Comments on: GPL and DRM – the real battle http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/01/28/gpl-and-drm-the-real-battle/ GStreamer and Collabora news and more Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:07:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: MadMan2k http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/01/28/gpl-and-drm-the-real-battle/comment-page-1/#comment-207 MadMan2k Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/01/28/gpl-and-drm-the-real-battle/#comment-207 do you know allofmp3? I dont link it, since you can be suited for that in germany, but guess what googles first hit is...<p/>this also shows how desperate the music industry must have been when they went to court against allofmp3 do you know allofmp3? I dont link it, since you can be suited for that in germany, but guess what googles first hit is…

this also shows how desperate the music industry must have been when they went to court against allofmp3

]]> By: The Badger http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/01/28/gpl-and-drm-the-real-battle/comment-page-1/#comment-208 The Badger Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/01/28/gpl-and-drm-the-real-battle/#comment-208 "So they spend their morning screaming online against the evils of DRM systems and software patents before going down to the local store to by a new DRM using DVD, sporting patented media formats."<p/>Sounds like an accurate description of an "Apple fanboy activist": so individual and supposedly against The Man and yet (perhaps unwittingly) buying comprehensively into The Man's agenda.<p/>Myself, I've made a point of not buying DRM'd music, even if that means not automatically getting something from various artists whose music I've previously bought and enjoyed. And no, I'm not someone who avoids DRM in order to liberally share stuff I've bought - I just think that if artists and their corporate masters think so little of my business, they can probably do without my business altogether.<p/>And from the little I've heard of Ladytron, I'd say that even if they're not totally alternative, if they're an indication of the non-DRM'd-up-the-gazoo side of the future then perhaps we at least have something to look forward to. “So they spend their morning screaming online against the evils of DRM systems and software patents before going down to the local store to by a new DRM using DVD, sporting patented media formats.”

Sounds like an accurate description of an “Apple fanboy activist”: so individual and supposedly against The Man and yet (perhaps unwittingly) buying comprehensively into The Man’s agenda.

Myself, I’ve made a point of not buying DRM’d music, even if that means not automatically getting something from various artists whose music I’ve previously bought and enjoyed. And no, I’m not someone who avoids DRM in order to liberally share stuff I’ve bought – I just think that if artists and their corporate masters think so little of my business, they can probably do without my business altogether.

And from the little I’ve heard of Ladytron, I’d say that even if they’re not totally alternative, if they’re an indication of the non-DRM’d-up-the-gazoo side of the future then perhaps we at least have something to look forward to.

]]> By: Christian http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/01/28/gpl-and-drm-the-real-battle/comment-page-1/#comment-209 Christian Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/01/28/gpl-and-drm-the-real-battle/#comment-209 I know allofmp3, but I prefer a service like emusic as its a solution actually supported by the copyright holders. As far as I know so do allofmp3.com stay in business by paying a russian royalty collecting agency for the right to sell these songs. In theory a ok solution, but the problem is that this agency is afaik not really functional, so artists never get paid. So while using allofmp3 do send the message that people want DRM free music that message to get burried in a bog of piracy and rights violations. The message with emusic is much better, as it also sends the message to the big record companies that they are not inreplacable. I know allofmp3, but I prefer a service like emusic as its a solution actually supported by the copyright holders. As far as I know so do allofmp3.com stay in business by paying a russian royalty collecting agency for the right to sell these songs. In theory a ok solution, but the problem is that this agency is afaik not really functional, so artists never get paid. So while using allofmp3 do send the message that people want DRM free music that message to get burried in a bog of piracy and rights violations. The message with emusic is much better, as it also sends the message to the big record companies that they are not inreplacable.

]]> By: Travis Reitter http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/01/28/gpl-and-drm-the-real-battle/comment-page-1/#comment-210 Travis Reitter Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/01/28/gpl-and-drm-the-real-battle/#comment-210 I also recommend AudioLunchbox.com - DRM-free music for $1/song, $10/album for download. I know they handle mp3s, and when I first got music from them, they offered Oggs, though I'm not sure if they still do. I also recommend AudioLunchbox.com – DRM-free music for $1/song, $10/album for download. I know they handle mp3s, and when I first got music from them, they offered Oggs, though I’m not sure if they still do.

]]> By: TopDown http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/01/28/gpl-and-drm-the-real-battle/comment-page-1/#comment-211 TopDown Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/01/28/gpl-and-drm-the-real-battle/#comment-211 <p><i>"Anyway I have come to terms with that most of the extended community at this point follows the policy that they are ready to fight something to their death as long as it doesn't inconvenience them in any way. So they spend their morning screaming online against the evils of DRM systems and software patents before going down to the local store to by a new DRM using DVD, sporting patented media formats."</i><p/><p>Nice generalization. Schaller, but blustering doesn't change the fact that you are a hypocrite. You can rightly criticise those who buy DRMed music... but then you spend your days implementing a code signing/trusted binaries DRM system for a supposedly *FREE* software media stack... while looking forward to the say when the Linux kernel will also help you out by being trusted and code signed.<p/><p>The only reason you don't like the provisons in the GPL v3 is because they put more pressure on sell-outs like you.<p/><p>Screaming about it online <p/><p>vs <p/><p>Actively implementing it and then trying to still claim to be "against" it.<p/><p>I wonder which is worse? Let me see. <br/></p></p></p></p></p></p></p> “Anyway I have come to terms with that most of the extended community at this point follows the policy that they are ready to fight something to their death as long as it doesn’t inconvenience them in any way. So they spend their morning screaming online against the evils of DRM systems and software patents before going down to the local store to by a new DRM using DVD, sporting patented media formats.”

Nice generalization. Schaller, but blustering doesn’t change the fact that you are a hypocrite. You can rightly criticise those who buy DRMed music… but then you spend your days implementing a code signing/trusted binaries DRM system for a supposedly *FREE* software media stack… while looking forward to the say when the Linux kernel will also help you out by being trusted and code signed.

The only reason you don’t like the provisons in the GPL v3 is because they put more pressure on sell-outs like you.

Screaming about it online

vs

Actively implementing it and then trying to still claim to be “against” it.

I wonder which is worse? Let me see.

]]> By: MadMan2k http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/01/28/gpl-and-drm-the-real-battle/comment-page-1/#comment-212 MadMan2k Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/01/28/gpl-and-drm-the-real-battle/#comment-212 the russian collecting agency is fully functional. the problem is that the copyright holders union does nott accept allofmp3 and taking their fees would be a de facto acceptance.<br/>So if they dont want the money - why bother? the russian collecting agency is fully functional. the problem is that the copyright holders union does nott accept allofmp3 and taking their fees would be a de facto acceptance.
So if they dont want the money – why bother?

]]> By: Christian http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/01/28/gpl-and-drm-the-real-battle/comment-page-1/#comment-213 Christian Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/01/28/gpl-and-drm-the-real-battle/#comment-213 TopDown, you might call me a hypocrit for it, but all I do is point out how the situation can be resolved. I am no fan of DRM technology, but I am not letting that stop us from doing business in an evironment where the vast majority don't care or make it a requirement for doing business.<br/></p><br/><p><br/>There is a lot of things in addition to DRM I would like see go away in the world, like organized religion, pollution and overpopulation.<br/></p><br/><p><br/>It might make me a hypocrit then for not refusing to have anything to do with religious people, for flying and driving cars and for wanting to have children. But in all those cases I feel that there are other approaches more effective for achieving progress in those areas than self destructive behaviour.<br/></p> TopDown, you might call me a hypocrit for it, but all I do is point out how the situation can be resolved. I am no fan of DRM technology, but I am not letting that stop us from doing business in an evironment where the vast majority don’t care or make it a requirement for doing business.

There is a lot of things in addition to DRM I would like see go away in the world, like organized religion, pollution and overpopulation.

It might make me a hypocrit then for not refusing to have anything to do with religious people, for flying and driving cars and for wanting to have children. But in all those cases I feel that there are other approaches more effective for achieving progress in those areas than self destructive behaviour.

]]> By: Christian http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/01/28/gpl-and-drm-the-real-battle/comment-page-1/#comment-214 Christian Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/01/28/gpl-and-drm-the-real-battle/#comment-214 MadMan2k,you probably know more than me about russian agencies than me so I retract my statement about the collection agency. My main point still stands though, as long as the copyright holders are not willing to endorse it, then services like emusic and audiolunchbox.com which Travis mentioned sends a much clearer and stronger message. MadMan2k,you probably know more than me about russian agencies than me so I retract my statement about the collection agency. My main point still stands though, as long as the copyright holders are not willing to endorse it, then services like emusic and audiolunchbox.com which Travis mentioned sends a much clearer and stronger message.

]]> By: TopDown http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/01/28/gpl-and-drm-the-real-battle/comment-page-1/#comment-215 TopDown Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/01/28/gpl-and-drm-the-real-battle/#comment-215 <p><i>There is a lot of things in addition to DRM I would like see go away in the world, like organized religion, pollution and overpopulation.</i><p/><p>So following your current behaviour -- you will be starting your own religion, opening an oil drilling company and another company that sells faulty condoms.<p/><p><i>I am no fan of DRM technology, but I am not letting that stop us from doing business in an evironment where the vast majority don't care or make it a requirement for doing business.</i><p/><p>Clearly not, as that would require principles, and other such things that are quite beyond your reach.<p/><p>It's important to note here that I don't actually hate people who implement DRM systems. I dislike them and fundamentally disagree with their actions, but they don't make money off Free software... and don't pretend to. You, on the other hand, started your company off the back of a Free software media stack and espoused the values behind that philosophy, and then turned around and betrayed everything it stands for just because someone waved a wad of money under your nose. Well, ok, but just why exactly should anyone listen to you now? In fact, why should anyone trust you or Fluendo?<br/></p></p></p></p></p> There is a lot of things in addition to DRM I would like see go away in the world, like organized religion, pollution and overpopulation.

So following your current behaviour — you will be starting your own religion, opening an oil drilling company and another company that sells faulty condoms.

I am no fan of DRM technology, but I am not letting that stop us from doing business in an evironment where the vast majority don’t care or make it a requirement for doing business.

Clearly not, as that would require principles, and other such things that are quite beyond your reach.

It’s important to note here that I don’t actually hate people who implement DRM systems. I dislike them and fundamentally disagree with their actions, but they don’t make money off Free software… and don’t pretend to. You, on the other hand, started your company off the back of a Free software media stack and espoused the values behind that philosophy, and then turned around and betrayed everything it stands for just because someone waved a wad of money under your nose. Well, ok, but just why exactly should anyone listen to you now? In fact, why should anyone trust you or Fluendo?

]]> By: TopDown http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/01/28/gpl-and-drm-the-real-battle/comment-page-1/#comment-216 TopDown Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/01/28/gpl-and-drm-the-real-battle/#comment-216 And furthermore, on the topic of changing when money is waved under your nose:<p/><p><a href="http://www.softpanorama.org/OSS/early_catb_critique.shtml">Open Source Software Causing More Harm Than Good by Christian Schaller</a><p/><p>"I implore the developers of the free software community to not let Eric Raymond lead the community down this road of self-destruction, but fight him with every fiber in your body. Software needs to be free, not just open."<p/><p>Quite. After all, "Open source" would allow for things like code signing and trusted binaries, whereas Free software and the philosophy behind it rules that out. I couldn't help but notice your recent DRM blog posts about using Sun's "open source DRM".</p></p></p> And furthermore, on the topic of changing when money is waved under your nose:

Open Source Software Causing More Harm Than Good by Christian Schaller

“I implore the developers of the free software community to not let Eric Raymond lead the community down this road of self-destruction, but fight him with every fiber in your body. Software needs to be free, not just open.”

Quite. After all, “Open source” would allow for things like code signing and trusted binaries, whereas Free software and the philosophy behind it rules that out. I couldn’t help but notice your recent DRM blog posts about using Sun’s “open source DRM”.

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