Comments on: Dependence on non-free drivers http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/02/20/dependence-on-non-free-drivers/ Just another GNOME Blogs weblog Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:04:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5.2 hourly 1 By: HE http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/02/20/dependence-on-non-free-drivers/comment-page-1/#comment-246 HE Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/02/20/dependence-on-non-free-drivers/#comment-246 Not to mention that it ties gnome even harder to Linux only. The free BSDs don't even have the proprietary drivers. But sadly, I doubt most people in the Gnome community will care about that. Not to mention that it ties gnome even harder to Linux only. The free BSDs don’t even have the proprietary drivers. But sadly, I doubt most people in the Gnome community will care about that.

]]> By: Jeff http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/02/20/dependence-on-non-free-drivers/comment-page-1/#comment-247 Jeff Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/02/20/dependence-on-non-free-drivers/#comment-247 ATI doesn't, but nVidia does - <a href="http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html">http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html</a> (note the FreeBSD driver). It's the same version number too. ATI doesn’t, but nVidia does – http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html (note the FreeBSD driver). It’s the same version number too.

]]> By: David Mills http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/02/20/dependence-on-non-free-drivers/comment-page-1/#comment-248 David Mills Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/02/20/dependence-on-non-free-drivers/#comment-248 HE: this is optional, it doesn't tie Gnome to anything, you can still use metacity on the BSDs (btw: FreeBSD has binary drivers too, at least for nvidia's cards). HE: this is optional, it doesn’t tie Gnome to anything, you can still use metacity on the BSDs (btw: FreeBSD has binary drivers too, at least for nvidia’s cards).

]]> By: TopDown http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/02/20/dependence-on-non-free-drivers/comment-page-1/#comment-249 TopDown Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/02/20/dependence-on-non-free-drivers/#comment-249 You lost any moral authority to lecture others on Free/non-Free issues when you and your fellow hypocrites at Fluendo sold out to the DRM crowd. Kindly have the decency not to pretend otherwise. You lost any moral authority to lecture others on Free/non-Free issues when you and your fellow hypocrites at Fluendo sold out to the DRM crowd. Kindly have the decency not to pretend otherwise.

]]> By: njs http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/02/20/dependence-on-non-free-drivers/comment-page-1/#comment-250 njs Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/02/20/dependence-on-non-free-drivers/#comment-250 I still don't see why ATi and nVidia don't even open up card specs.. I can sort of vaguely see that they have an excuse for closed drivers, but specs.. :-/ I still don’t see why ATi and nVidia don’t even open up card specs.. I can sort of vaguely see that they have an excuse for closed drivers, but specs.. :-/

]]> By: John (J5) Palmieri http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/02/20/dependence-on-non-free-drivers/comment-page-1/#comment-251 John (J5) Palmieri Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/02/20/dependence-on-non-free-drivers/#comment-251 Christian,<p/>One of our X guys wanted me to tell you that Mesa can not be called MesaGL due to the fact that it often does not pass the GL conformance tests and the OpenGL working group has been a stickler on what you can call GL. <p/>TopDown,<p/>Just because one is pragmatic does not mean they do not think the world should be using open source. It just means they know they are not going to get the world to use open source by being dogmatic. I bet Fluendo has done more for the proliferation of open formats than you will have done in a lifetime. Christian,

One of our X guys wanted me to tell you that Mesa can not be called MesaGL due to the fact that it often does not pass the GL conformance tests and the OpenGL working group has been a stickler on what you can call GL.

TopDown,

Just because one is pragmatic does not mean they do not think the world should be using open source. It just means they know they are not going to get the world to use open source by being dogmatic. I bet Fluendo has done more for the proliferation of open formats than you will have done in a lifetime.

]]> By: Luca http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/02/20/dependence-on-non-free-drivers/comment-page-1/#comment-252 Luca Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/02/20/dependence-on-non-free-drivers/#comment-252 Well I know ATI itself is not trying anything open-source, and big companies never will, but people are always out there trying to reverse engineer stuff, just like the <a href="http://r300.sourceforge.net/">http://r300.sourceforge.net/</a> Well I know ATI itself is not trying anything open-source, and big companies never will, but people are always out there trying to reverse engineer stuff, just like the http://r300.sourceforge.net/

]]> By: David Mills http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/02/20/dependence-on-non-free-drivers/comment-page-1/#comment-253 David Mills Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/02/20/dependence-on-non-free-drivers/#comment-253 njs: You thinks we have it hard with Nvidia and Ati, at least they produce reasonable drivers. Try getting 3D support (or hardware specs) out of Sis, blood from a stone seems easy by comparison.<p/>Actually, that's something an OS Company could do for us (Novell, Red Hat, I mean you), go ban on hardware manufacturer's doors, and get some spec sheets out, starting with Sis (yes I have an Mirage chipset, and yes I'm bitter at not having OpenGL, so what?).<p/>David<p/>P.S: I'm already writing a driver for the trident cyberblade (first driver, it's true, but I got my hands on a spec sheet and figured what the heck, give it a go...), so yes, I would be willing to scratch my itch my self if given the docs... njs: You thinks we have it hard with Nvidia and Ati, at least they produce reasonable drivers. Try getting 3D support (or hardware specs) out of Sis, blood from a stone seems easy by comparison.

Actually, that’s something an OS Company could do for us (Novell, Red Hat, I mean you), go ban on hardware manufacturer’s doors, and get some spec sheets out, starting with Sis (yes I have an Mirage chipset, and yes I’m bitter at not having OpenGL, so what?).

David

P.S: I’m already writing a driver for the trident cyberblade (first driver, it’s true, but I got my hands on a spec sheet and figured what the heck, give it a go…), so yes, I would be willing to scratch my itch my self if given the docs…

]]> By: dawid gajownik http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/02/20/dependence-on-non-free-drivers/comment-page-1/#comment-254 dawid gajownik Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/02/20/dependence-on-non-free-drivers/#comment-254 It would be nice if someone could port BeOS nVidia drivers to X.Org X11 → <a href="http://haikunews.org/1050">http://haikunews.org/1050</a> :-) It would be nice if someone could port BeOS nVidia drivers to X.Org X11 → http://haikunews.org/1050 :-)

]]> By: TopDown http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/02/20/dependence-on-non-free-drivers/comment-page-1/#comment-255 TopDown Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2006/02/20/dependence-on-non-free-drivers/#comment-255 <p><i>Just because one is pragmatic does not mean they do not think the world should be using open source. </i><p/><p>You call it pragmatic. I call it hypocrisy... especially in the light of his previous articles on the use of the term "open source".<p/><p><i>I bet Fluendo has done more for the proliferation of open formats than you will have done in a lifetime.</i><p/><p>They've certainly done more to promote the spread of DRM by building it into the previously *Free* GStreamer. Though I'm not surprised to find you disagreeing, since Red Hat is busy whoring itself out to IBM to build a code-signed Linux system based on TCPA hardware (just the kind of DRM system that gives Christian Schaller wet dreams... see his previous blog post about "kernel work" to support his DRM dreams)... Just what is Red Hat's corporate position on the use of the GPL v3 for the Linux kernel?</p></p></p></p> Just because one is pragmatic does not mean they do not think the world should be using open source.

You call it pragmatic. I call it hypocrisy… especially in the light of his previous articles on the use of the term “open source”.

I bet Fluendo has done more for the proliferation of open formats than you will have done in a lifetime.

They’ve certainly done more to promote the spread of DRM by building it into the previously *Free* GStreamer. Though I’m not surprised to find you disagreeing, since Red Hat is busy whoring itself out to IBM to build a code-signed Linux system based on TCPA hardware (just the kind of DRM system that gives Christian Schaller wet dreams… see his previous blog post about “kernel work” to support his DRM dreams)… Just what is Red Hat’s corporate position on the use of the GPL v3 for the Linux kernel?

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