Comments on: Shop FAQ http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2007/01/16/shop-faq/ Just another GNOME Blogs weblog Fri, 30 Oct 2009 06:01:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Zaheer http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2007/01/16/shop-faq/comment-page-1/#comment-833 Zaheer Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2007/01/16/shop-faq/#comment-833 Thanks for the public clarification on these questions. I have been asked some of these questions this morning and last night, now I have a web page to point people to. Thanks for the public clarification on these questions. I have been asked some of these questions this morning and last night, now I have a web page to point people to.

]]> By: Ploum http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2007/01/16/shop-faq/comment-page-1/#comment-834 Ploum Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2007/01/16/shop-faq/#comment-834 I think it's a great initiative but I still have some basic questions (sorry if they are answered elsewhere, I didn't find that place).<p/>1) Do you write all those plugins from scratch with reverse-engineering ? Have you any agreement with upstream vendor ? (Microsoft, Real, etc...)<p/>2) Are those plugins legal in all countries ? I mean, if you did some reverse engineering, it might be not legal everywhere. Also, they might be covered by patents.<p/>3) Under what terms are your plugins licensed ? If I buy them, what could I do and do not ?<p/>4) What is the advantage of using your mpeg plugin instead of any free mpeg decoder already available for GStreamer or mplayer or xine ?<p/>BTW, I wish you good luck and thanks for all the work Fluendo is providing to Free Softwares. I think it’s a great initiative but I still have some basic questions (sorry if they are answered elsewhere, I didn’t find that place).

1) Do you write all those plugins from scratch with reverse-engineering ? Have you any agreement with upstream vendor ? (Microsoft, Real, etc…)

2) Are those plugins legal in all countries ? I mean, if you did some reverse engineering, it might be not legal everywhere. Also, they might be covered by patents.

3) Under what terms are your plugins licensed ? If I buy them, what could I do and do not ?

4) What is the advantage of using your mpeg plugin instead of any free mpeg decoder already available for GStreamer or mplayer or xine ?

BTW, I wish you good luck and thanks for all the work Fluendo is providing to Free Softwares.

]]> By: Christian http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2007/01/16/shop-faq/comment-page-1/#comment-835 Christian Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2007/01/16/shop-faq/#comment-835 Ploum:<br/>1) the plugins are mostly done using code provided us from 3rd parties. For instance Microsoft gave us the source code we use for Windows Media.<br/>2)Yes, they are legal in all countries. No reverse-engineering used as we licensed all specs, code etc. properly.<br/>3) I just added the general license text under the Conditions for Use link on the shop frontpage. You might want to wait a little with reading it though as I sent sent Jaime our webmaster an updated formated version.<br/>4) Honestly there is not that much tecnical advantage to our plugin compared to the free one. The main advantage is the licensing and us supporting and maintaining it. While there are some short term advantages to some of our properietary plugins like support for Quality of Service and Trick modes over time which you end up using will be mostly a matter of local law/rules etc. Ploum:
1) the plugins are mostly done using code provided us from 3rd parties. For instance Microsoft gave us the source code we use for Windows Media.
2)Yes, they are legal in all countries. No reverse-engineering used as we licensed all specs, code etc. properly.
3) I just added the general license text under the Conditions for Use link on the shop frontpage. You might want to wait a little with reading it though as I sent sent Jaime our webmaster an updated formated version.
4) Honestly there is not that much tecnical advantage to our plugin compared to the free one. The main advantage is the licensing and us supporting and maintaining it. While there are some short term advantages to some of our properietary plugins like support for Quality of Service and Trick modes over time which you end up using will be mostly a matter of local law/rules etc.

]]> By: André http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2007/01/16/shop-faq/comment-page-1/#comment-836 André Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2007/01/16/shop-faq/#comment-836 Where's the source..? Where’s the source..?

]]> By: Christian http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2007/01/16/shop-faq/comment-page-1/#comment-837 Christian Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2007/01/16/shop-faq/#comment-837 André: there is no source for the most part as these are properietary plugins. There is some source available for the mp3 and mpegdemuxer if you look at the resources item on the www.fluendo.com homepage. But in general if opensource plugins are what you are looking for I recommend downloading the gst-plugins-ugly, gst-plugins-bad and gst-ffmpeg modules. André: there is no source for the most part as these are properietary plugins. There is some source available for the mp3 and mpegdemuxer if you look at the resources item on the http://www.fluendo.com homepage. But in general if opensource plugins are what you are looking for I recommend downloading the gst-plugins-ugly, gst-plugins-bad and gst-ffmpeg modules.

]]> By: Ploum http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2007/01/16/shop-faq/comment-page-1/#comment-838 Ploum Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2007/01/16/shop-faq/#comment-838 Christian, thanks for your answers. It's much clearer now.<p/>As I understand, the average Linux user is not concerned. It's mostly for legal reason. I will buy your plugins if I'm really concerned about the law and that uncertain legality of pitfdll-w32codecs and mad MP3 decoded is a big deal for me.<p/>I will not bother about your shop if I'm using a cracked WinXP in dual boot with my Linux.<p/>I think I understand your business model and I really hope that it will be successful. Christian, thanks for your answers. It’s much clearer now.

As I understand, the average Linux user is not concerned. It’s mostly for legal reason. I will buy your plugins if I’m really concerned about the law and that uncertain legality of pitfdll-w32codecs and mad MP3 decoded is a big deal for me.

I will not bother about your shop if I’m using a cracked WinXP in dual boot with my Linux.

I think I understand your business model and I really hope that it will be successful.

]]> By: Shetil http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2007/01/16/shop-faq/comment-page-1/#comment-839 Shetil Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2007/01/16/shop-faq/#comment-839 Ploum: Or you could buy the codecs to support a great company that have contributed a lot to Linux. <p/>Personally I hope that someday it is possible to buy a box with Elisa and all codecs preinstalled. A box that will kick both Apple and Microsoft ass ;-) Ploum: Or you could buy the codecs to support a great company that have contributed a lot to Linux.

Personally I hope that someday it is possible to buy a box with Elisa and all codecs preinstalled. A box that will kick both Apple and Microsoft ass ;-)

]]> By: André http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2007/01/16/shop-faq/comment-page-1/#comment-840 André Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2007/01/16/shop-faq/#comment-840 Christian: Just kiddin... ;) Great work anyway! Christian: Just kiddin… ;) Great work anyway!

]]> By: Michael Schurter http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2007/01/16/shop-faq/comment-page-1/#comment-841 Michael Schurter Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2007/01/16/shop-faq/#comment-841 Any chance of commercial Linux distributions like Redhat, Suse, Mandriva, etc. bundling your codecs by default?<p/>Or maybe some distributions already have proper codec licenses?<p/>I could actually see paying for a retail version of Linux if it included all of your wonderful codecs! :) Any chance of commercial Linux distributions like Redhat, Suse, Mandriva, etc. bundling your codecs by default?

Or maybe some distributions already have proper codec licenses?

I could actually see paying for a retail version of Linux if it included all of your wonderful codecs! :)

]]> By: Christian http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2007/01/16/shop-faq/comment-page-1/#comment-842 Christian Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2007/01/16/shop-faq/#comment-842 Michael: Yes there is a chance for that. Due to the nature of the thing I can't really disclose any details on that unfortunatly. Michael: Yes there is a chance for that. Due to the nature of the thing I can’t really disclose any details on that unfortunatly.

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