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	<title>Comments on: Manifestestations of a more confident atheism</title>
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		<title>By: Manabu</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2008/02/25/manifestestations-of-a-more-confident-atheism/comment-page-1/#comment-1450</link>
		<dc:creator>Manabu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My preffered:
&quot;Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?&quot; - atributed to Epicurus

And this is hilarious: http://www.atheistempire.com/entertainment/images/imaginary_friend.gif</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My preffered:<br />
&#8220;Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?&#8221; &#8211; atributed to Epicurus</p>
<p>And this is hilarious: <a href="http://www.atheistempire.com/entertainment/images/imaginary_friend.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.atheistempire.com/entertainment/images/imaginary_friend.gif</a></p>
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		<title>By: Daf</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2008/02/25/manifestestations-of-a-more-confident-atheism/comment-page-1/#comment-1449</link>
		<dc:creator>Daf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 20:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very thoughtful. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very thoughtful. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Milton Pividori</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2008/02/25/manifestestations-of-a-more-confident-atheism/comment-page-1/#comment-1447</link>
		<dc:creator>Milton Pividori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this one: &quot;A witty saying proves nothing&quot; - Voltaire</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this one: &#8220;A witty saying proves nothing&#8221; &#8211; Voltaire</p>
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		<title>By: A</title>
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		<dc:creator>A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And a few more:

Faith means not wanting to know what is true. — Friedrich Nietzsche

The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. — George Bernard Shaw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And a few more:</p>
<p>Faith means not wanting to know what is true. — Friedrich Nietzsche</p>
<p>The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. — George Bernard Shaw</p>
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		<title>By: Wahez</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2008/02/25/manifestestations-of-a-more-confident-atheism/comment-page-1/#comment-1445</link>
		<dc:creator>Wahez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O, sorry, didn&#039;t mean to post under a different name. Wahez == Walther</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O, sorry, didn&#8217;t mean to post under a different name. Wahez == Walther</p>
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		<title>By: Wahez</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2008/02/25/manifestestations-of-a-more-confident-atheism/comment-page-1/#comment-1444</link>
		<dc:creator>Wahez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ureas: I&#039;d like to think that you are forced by logic. I agree it&#039;s different kind of force than gravity. But even if you would like to call it a choice, it&#039;s not different from choosing to be an atheist. And the fact that people choose it, doesn&#039;t say anything about the truth in it. 
I think a better way to put it is that people become convinced (in stead of choose) that something is the truth (whether it&#039;s atheism or theism).

About the ten commandments: I didn&#039;t say it means something else than it says. No matter how literal you read it, it just doesn&#039;t say that slavery is ok or that a woman equals a donkey.

About addressing only the men: just remember that we&#039;re talking about a book that is ages old and the ten commandments were written for a people that lived at that time. Of course you should take into account the circumstances and the culture of that time. You would do that when you are reading Beowulf or Pride and Prejudice too, wouldn&#039;t you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ureas: I&#8217;d like to think that you are forced by logic. I agree it&#8217;s different kind of force than gravity. But even if you would like to call it a choice, it&#8217;s not different from choosing to be an atheist. And the fact that people choose it, doesn&#8217;t say anything about the truth in it.<br />
I think a better way to put it is that people become convinced (in stead of choose) that something is the truth (whether it&#8217;s atheism or theism).</p>
<p>About the ten commandments: I didn&#8217;t say it means something else than it says. No matter how literal you read it, it just doesn&#8217;t say that slavery is ok or that a woman equals a donkey.</p>
<p>About addressing only the men: just remember that we&#8217;re talking about a book that is ages old and the ten commandments were written for a people that lived at that time. Of course you should take into account the circumstances and the culture of that time. You would do that when you are reading Beowulf or Pride and Prejudice too, wouldn&#8217;t you?</p>
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		<title>By: Milton Pividori</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2008/02/25/manifestestations-of-a-more-confident-atheism/comment-page-1/#comment-1443</link>
		<dc:creator>Milton Pividori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>uraeus: Regarding the Bible, we believe it was written by men and inspired by God. That is to say: it has human and divine elements. It&#039;s important to understand this.

Bible was not a &quot;great idea&quot; of their authors. It wasn&#039;t even planned. For example, the New Testament is, most of it, a set of letters written by Jesus&#039;s disciples to the new communities, trying to resolve problems there, teaching something... they were trying to preach what they learned from Jesus. This set of letters was gathered by the Church later. Well, I think it&#039;s coherent... I read it and then read the explanation (I am catholic), and a simple text is connected with lots of other parts. Protestant&#039;s Bible has no explanation (they think one can interpret Bible alone, instead of the Church&#039;s interpretation).

With your opinion about God&#039;s communication skills, you are saying you &lt;strong&gt;know&lt;/strong&gt; how God&#039;s write/think/communicate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uraeus: Regarding the Bible, we believe it was written by men and inspired by God. That is to say: it has human and divine elements. It&#8217;s important to understand this.</p>
<p>Bible was not a &#8220;great idea&#8221; of their authors. It wasn&#8217;t even planned. For example, the New Testament is, most of it, a set of letters written by Jesus&#8217;s disciples to the new communities, trying to resolve problems there, teaching something&#8230; they were trying to preach what they learned from Jesus. This set of letters was gathered by the Church later. Well, I think it&#8217;s coherent&#8230; I read it and then read the explanation (I am catholic), and a simple text is connected with lots of other parts. Protestant&#8217;s Bible has no explanation (they think one can interpret Bible alone, instead of the Church&#8217;s interpretation).</p>
<p>With your opinion about God&#8217;s communication skills, you are saying you <strong>know</strong> how God&#8217;s write/think/communicate.</p>
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		<title>By: uraeus</title>
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		<dc:creator>uraeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Milton: If you read Dawkins book there is actually a long section discussing exactly the argument brought forth by Flynn. The argument that there are areas which lies beyond or outside science. Dawkins even comments specifically on the appeasement of the religious done by people such as Stephen Jay Gould mentioned in Flynn&#039;s article.

@Walther: Of course its a choice. Religion is not like gravity where you are &#039;forced&#039; by the fact of things falling down when dropped to accept its existence. 
And you display in your comment one of the things that amaze me the most about the religious, an incredible willingness to look away from the wording of the bible and instead claim its obvious that it means something else than what it says. If these books are written on the behest of an omnipotent being one would think they would be more coherent, textually unambiguous, more forward looking and without stories advocating morally detestable behavior.  If the Bible and the Quran are meant to be the way an omnipotent being communicates to humanity then its obvious that its omnipotence do not cover communication skills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Milton: If you read Dawkins book there is actually a long section discussing exactly the argument brought forth by Flynn. The argument that there are areas which lies beyond or outside science. Dawkins even comments specifically on the appeasement of the religious done by people such as Stephen Jay Gould mentioned in Flynn&#8217;s article.</p>
<p>@Walther: Of course its a choice. Religion is not like gravity where you are &#8216;forced&#8217; by the fact of things falling down when dropped to accept its existence.<br />
And you display in your comment one of the things that amaze me the most about the religious, an incredible willingness to look away from the wording of the bible and instead claim its obvious that it means something else than what it says. If these books are written on the behest of an omnipotent being one would think they would be more coherent, textually unambiguous, more forward looking and without stories advocating morally detestable behavior.  If the Bible and the Quran are meant to be the way an omnipotent being communicates to humanity then its obvious that its omnipotence do not cover communication skills.</p>
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		<title>By: Walther</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure I would call religion &quot;self-chosen&quot;. A belief is something that you are convinced is true, not something you choose to be true. Did you choose to become an atheist or were you convinced by evidence or logic or whatever that that is the right way to see the world? The same goes for any metaphysical view of the world (if it&#039;s atheism or theism or anything else).

I don&#039;t understand why you say the ten commandments put women at the same level as donkeys. It doesn&#039;t say that at all. There is only one common thing between a wife and a donkey and that is that you should not covet them if they belong to someone else. And I think every christian that reads that would apply it just the same to husbands.

I don&#039;t see any endorsement of slavery either. It&#039;s just the way the world worked at that time. Given the way the world was, this was a good way to put it. Which is probably also the reason for addressing the men and not the women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I would call religion &#8220;self-chosen&#8221;. A belief is something that you are convinced is true, not something you choose to be true. Did you choose to become an atheist or were you convinced by evidence or logic or whatever that that is the right way to see the world? The same goes for any metaphysical view of the world (if it&#8217;s atheism or theism or anything else).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand why you say the ten commandments put women at the same level as donkeys. It doesn&#8217;t say that at all. There is only one common thing between a wife and a donkey and that is that you should not covet them if they belong to someone else. And I think every christian that reads that would apply it just the same to husbands.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see any endorsement of slavery either. It&#8217;s just the way the world worked at that time. Given the way the world was, this was a good way to put it. Which is probably also the reason for addressing the men and not the women.</p>
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		<title>By: Milton Pividori</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2008/02/25/manifestestations-of-a-more-confident-atheism/comment-page-1/#comment-1440</link>
		<dc:creator>Milton Pividori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christian, take a look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://reasoningrepaired.blogspot.com/2007/03/delusion-of-atheism.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;.   

I don&#039;t think McGrath seems focused on attacking Dawkins, Father John Flynn (the author of the article linked above) says some interesting things about. I would like to read your opinion about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian, take a look at <a href="http://reasoningrepaired.blogspot.com/2007/03/delusion-of-atheism.html" rel="nofollow">this</a>.   </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think McGrath seems focused on attacking Dawkins, Father John Flynn (the author of the article linked above) says some interesting things about. I would like to read your opinion about it.</p>
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