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	<title>Comments on: Biofuels, how long before the stupidity ends</title>
	<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2008/04/22/biofuels-how-long-before-the-stupidity-ends/</link>
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	<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Hajdi</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2008/04/22/biofuels-how-long-before-the-stupidity-ends/#comment-1596</link>
		<dc:creator>Hajdi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 19:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2008/04/22/biofuels-how-long-before-the-stupidity-ends/#comment-1596</guid>
		<description>@Ureus

One of the most important problem when it comes to global warming is emission of CO2. But human race produces minor amounts of it when compared to natural sources like vulcanos. In history of Earth there where many changes of climate (warming or colding) and unfortunately there is nothing we can do about it. Human is just a tiny gear in this process.

People behind this global warming paranoia are just counting on good will people like you to spread disaster stories as much as it is possible. This is just another way to make business. US and EU governments pay big cash for climate research and the scariest stories scientiests tell, the bigger funds. Open your eyes and check also other scientific sources than the ones coming from people who are earning money on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ureus</p>
<p>One of the most important problem when it comes to global warming is emission of CO2. But human race produces minor amounts of it when compared to natural sources like vulcanos. In history of Earth there where many changes of climate (warming or colding) and unfortunately there is nothing we can do about it. Human is just a tiny gear in this process.</p>
<p>People behind this global warming paranoia are just counting on good will people like you to spread disaster stories as much as it is possible. This is just another way to make business. US and EU governments pay big cash for climate research and the scariest stories scientiests tell, the bigger funds. Open your eyes and check also other scientific sources than the ones coming from people who are earning money on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul McGarry</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2008/04/22/biofuels-how-long-before-the-stupidity-ends/#comment-1567</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul McGarry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2008/04/22/biofuels-how-long-before-the-stupidity-ends/#comment-1567</guid>
		<description>I think the main problem with you HIV allegory is that the option of using protection is there and relatively cost free, ie has no negative impact.

Here we have competing problems, the effects of biofuels and the effects of fossil fuels (and the inevitable if not immediately pressing, shortage of supply of fossil fuels).

Commercial production is a part of research but we as human beings aren't going to get it right first time. We will have to adjust and adjust and adjust as we go down the road.

I think we actually agree for the most part, I just think the focus needs to be more on identifying and promoting better policy rather than merely pointing out where current policy fails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the main problem with you HIV allegory is that the option of using protection is there and relatively cost free, ie has no negative impact.</p>
<p>Here we have competing problems, the effects of biofuels and the effects of fossil fuels (and the inevitable if not immediately pressing, shortage of supply of fossil fuels).</p>
<p>Commercial production is a part of research but we as human beings aren&#8217;t going to get it right first time. We will have to adjust and adjust and adjust as we go down the road.</p>
<p>I think we actually agree for the most part, I just think the focus needs to be more on identifying and promoting better policy rather than merely pointing out where current policy fails.</p>
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		<title>By: uraeus</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2008/04/22/biofuels-how-long-before-the-stupidity-ends/#comment-1557</link>
		<dc:creator>uraeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2008/04/22/biofuels-how-long-before-the-stupidity-ends/#comment-1557</guid>
		<description>@Paul: I am never one to suggest banning further research on anything. But there is a big difference between doing further research and subsidizing the commercial production of something which currently is causing more damage than anything else. Also your argumentation comes dangerously close to my allegory about the HIV positive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paul: I am never one to suggest banning further research on anything. But there is a big difference between doing further research and subsidizing the commercial production of something which currently is causing more damage than anything else. Also your argumentation comes dangerously close to my allegory about the HIV positive.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul McGarry</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2008/04/22/biofuels-how-long-before-the-stupidity-ends/#comment-1556</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul McGarry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 05:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2008/04/22/biofuels-how-long-before-the-stupidity-ends/#comment-1556</guid>
		<description>Biofuels are a fairly young technology and I think it would be stupid to label the biofuel idea "bad" in toto.

There is no getting round the fact that fossil fuels are ultimately a finite resource. We do need to invest and develop in all manner of areas that may bring us some alternatives both in the short  and long term and biofuels is clearly one of those areas.

We don't need people looking at the current state of biofuels (or milk carton recycling) and thinking "It's shit, let's stop it". We need people thinking "It's shit, how can we improve it". How can we make it more efficient, how can we mitigate against the downsides etc etc.

We need to continue to advance our knowledge, not look at our current state and give up. We need "do it better energy", not "stop energy".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biofuels are a fairly young technology and I think it would be stupid to label the biofuel idea &#8220;bad&#8221; in toto.</p>
<p>There is no getting round the fact that fossil fuels are ultimately a finite resource. We do need to invest and develop in all manner of areas that may bring us some alternatives both in the short  and long term and biofuels is clearly one of those areas.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need people looking at the current state of biofuels (or milk carton recycling) and thinking &#8220;It&#8217;s shit, let&#8217;s stop it&#8221;. We need people thinking &#8220;It&#8217;s shit, how can we improve it&#8221;. How can we make it more efficient, how can we mitigate against the downsides etc etc.</p>
<p>We need to continue to advance our knowledge, not look at our current state and give up. We need &#8220;do it better energy&#8221;, not &#8220;stop energy&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2008/04/22/biofuels-how-long-before-the-stupidity-ends/#comment-1555</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 03:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2008/04/22/biofuels-how-long-before-the-stupidity-ends/#comment-1555</guid>
		<description>Thomas - farmers currently aren't growing enough to eat, there's food riots across the world at the moment. Biofuels are taking food from people's mouths and burning it in cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas - farmers currently aren&#8217;t growing enough to eat, there&#8217;s food riots across the world at the moment. Biofuels are taking food from people&#8217;s mouths and burning it in cars.</p>
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		<title>By: lixfe</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2008/04/22/biofuels-how-long-before-the-stupidity-ends/#comment-1554</link>
		<dc:creator>lixfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2008/04/22/biofuels-how-long-before-the-stupidity-ends/#comment-1554</guid>
		<description>My opinion about that "biofuel being good for environment" story is that it was just pushed as an environment friendly candy, because of a completely different agenda. It's all about keeping the economy running (i.e. keep spending more and more fuel) while reduce dependance and outflux of money on import oil. It's not a coincidence that this happens at the same time as fuel prices are skyrocketing.

Those recent reports seem to be a big blow to that strategy, but I'm sure that EU  strategists (or those from any other contry whose economy might suffer long term because of expensive oil) will try hard to keep it forward, by facilitating some studies that have supportive conclusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My opinion about that &#8220;biofuel being good for environment&#8221; story is that it was just pushed as an environment friendly candy, because of a completely different agenda. It&#8217;s all about keeping the economy running (i.e. keep spending more and more fuel) while reduce dependance and outflux of money on import oil. It&#8217;s not a coincidence that this happens at the same time as fuel prices are skyrocketing.</p>
<p>Those recent reports seem to be a big blow to that strategy, but I&#8217;m sure that EU  strategists (or those from any other contry whose economy might suffer long term because of expensive oil) will try hard to keep it forward, by facilitating some studies that have supportive conclusion.</p>
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		<title>By: uraeus</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2008/04/22/biofuels-how-long-before-the-stupidity-ends/#comment-1553</link>
		<dc:creator>uraeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2008/04/22/biofuels-how-long-before-the-stupidity-ends/#comment-1553</guid>
		<description>@Matthew: Biofuels are no more environmentally friendly than fossil fuels. In fact fossil fuels are just really old biofuel. So by trading in fossil fuel for biofuel you get same amount of CO2 pollution just less absorption from the plant life. In other words failure.

@Hajdi: Are you kidding me? We are changing the chemical composition of our atmosphere at a rapid pace and you wondering if we are having any major impact?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Matthew: Biofuels are no more environmentally friendly than fossil fuels. In fact fossil fuels are just really old biofuel. So by trading in fossil fuel for biofuel you get same amount of CO2 pollution just less absorption from the plant life. In other words failure.</p>
<p>@Hajdi: Are you kidding me? We are changing the chemical composition of our atmosphere at a rapid pace and you wondering if we are having any major impact?</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew W. S. Bell</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2008/04/22/biofuels-how-long-before-the-stupidity-ends/#comment-1547</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew W. S. Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2008/04/22/biofuels-how-long-before-the-stupidity-ends/#comment-1547</guid>
		<description>Er, hang on... surely the question is whether using biofuels is better or worse than having these fields of wild flora and still burning fossil fuels...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er, hang on&#8230; surely the question is whether using biofuels is better or worse than having these fields of wild flora and still burning fossil fuels&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Boström</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2008/04/22/biofuels-how-long-before-the-stupidity-ends/#comment-1546</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Boström</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2008/04/22/biofuels-how-long-before-the-stupidity-ends/#comment-1546</guid>
		<description>Add to that the utter stupidity of _cutting down rainforest_ in Borneo to produce palm oil for fuel. It's bad enough to do it to produce palm oil for food, but when people start burning that oil the quantities increase a lot. If you buy "biodiesel", make _sure_ you know where it comes from. If it's (part) palm oil, buy regular fossil fuel instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Add to that the utter stupidity of _cutting down rainforest_ in Borneo to produce palm oil for fuel. It&#8217;s bad enough to do it to produce palm oil for food, but when people start burning that oil the quantities increase a lot. If you buy &#8220;biodiesel&#8221;, make _sure_ you know where it comes from. If it&#8217;s (part) palm oil, buy regular fossil fuel instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Hajdi</title>
		<link>http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2008/04/22/biofuels-how-long-before-the-stupidity-ends/#comment-1545</link>
		<dc:creator>Hajdi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2008/04/22/biofuels-how-long-before-the-stupidity-ends/#comment-1545</guid>
		<description>Global worming is real but, Christian why do you think that human race has any major impact on it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Global worming is real but, Christian why do you think that human race has any major impact on it?</p>
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