For ten years people have whined like little children about DVD support not working without complications in Linux. Every single person in the community knows why this was the case (that it wasn’t possible to ship a free CSS/MPEG 2 implementation in any territory where licensing fees were enforced). Every single person in the community knows what the only workable solution was, short of Mark Shuttleworth buying everyone in Europe and North America a license. And even then, someone would have whined about it.

- Chris

And yes, the size of code required to build a browser is scary. And it isn’t helped by the fact that they all just ship a large monolithic blob of code instead of properly splitting it into reusable parts. But then, a browser is like a desktop confined to a window, so it has to be huge.

Do note that it’s not really an insane thing to do, as - thanks to the EUCD and similar legislation - the use of dvdcss is technically illegal not just in the wacky world of the U.S.A. but in much of the rest of the world too, these days. So there really needs to be some kind of solution for vendors who have to cope with the pesky inconvenience of obeying the law.

i just installed what was available in the default yum setup on fc9 - i just thought i’d try it out, and mentioned it here because i thought it had some positives. i’m not sure I care enough to really hunt around for everything though, at least not yet.

actually on a whim i did checkout webkit from cvs. and waited. over a gigabyte. Hmm. suddenly i lost most interest in bothering with browsers - the complexity and size is just stupid/crazy and I don’t have the time right now to play with such a body of code.

i was only looking at the gtk+ based ones, so i avoided arora intentionally. it’s just a personal thing.

Its embarrasing I’d say to put out something THIS lame and have it be default for add-remove..of course we must realize that fedora IS bleeding edge and as a result they are off the hook for doing basically anything at all they want on release, because at the end of the day its just ok ;)

It should be rather clear by now whats up in this regard, so vote with your install, and choose something else and dont be ashamed to call a spade a spade, they just have to deal with it. They created the problem.

What a shame, as overall I found some of the nice touches refreshing, but you know lack of QA is just that, and so many distros these days have that quality in spades. Your just giving Windows an extended forecast of clear skies ahead ;)

It’s pretty easy to do a build of Epiphany-webkit. I find that in basic fundamentals it works great, but the deal-breaker for me is that plugins don’t work with the Webkit backend, particularly the AdBlock plugin. I can’t live without AdBlock.

Yeah. Lots of people do that. Myself too. SELinux is a great technology however the policy is way too fine grained for things like Fedora.

This means that people get it wrong. On top of that, the policy centrally maintained. And while the SELinux policy maintainers may be nice guys and smart etc. they are in no way domain experts on all the 10000 different applications in the distro they write policy for.

Maybe one day someone will rewrite the policy, make it approximately 1000 times simpler, make it decentralized (e.g. shipped in upstream packages) and remove the ability to turn SELinux off (how is it not FAIL FAIL FAIL to ship a security technology that can be turned off? My view is that until this happens, then SELinux will continue to be unusable in community/consumer distros.

(That said, SELinux works great for a lot of big enterprises having a team of developers/sysadmins that grok how to write SELinux policy. And the patience to actually test stuff before it’s deployed.)