Here’s the takeaway from that last ramble….

February 23, 2010

You will get 200.2383% better results out of your designer if you trust that they are going to be 90% right and just take their word on the x% where you disagree. The 200% betterness will wash out the 10% of the time that they are just wrong for a huge net gain.

I think you should raise points where you disagree with them, often they will agree with you and you had just thought about something they hadn’t. But try to hit big things, not little random UI issues. They’re easier to notice, but they lower the conversation to a point where the issue in question might not matter.

Try this, ideally:

hackmaster2000: Hey, you removed all the icons, that seems weird to me because of X, Y and Z. I’ll take your word on this if you want, but I just wanted to bring this to your attention…

they will respond either…..

cryanblark: damn, good point. I’m actually not sure 100% on that, lets talk about this. blah blah blah blah

OR

cryanblark: well, my gut feel is that is right. but its hard to explain, will you just implement as is?

OR

cryanblark: I think that doesn’t actually matter one way or another in the design, would you just implement as is? I’m trying to think about this big issue instead, can we talk about that?

Marco was awesome about this. 75% of the time, Marco was raising design points I hadn’t considered, and most of the time they were design issues I considered significant, not distracting rabbit trails…. even then we didn’t always change things, but we talked it through. When I thought the design issue wasn’t important or just “felt right”, he was ok with that too…. and that was even though Marco was a dramatically better designer than most GNOME hackers.

Every conversation I had with Marco helped me to be the best designer I could be. As a result, he got much better designs out of me (and bryan) than most people. He created a context where design could flourish, and reaped the benefits by getting to build really well designed apps.

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42 Responses to “Here’s the takeaway from that last ramble….”

  1. tm Says:

    February 23, 2010 at 11:50 am

    ah, geez, this whole specialization bull just gets boring.
    from my experience projects only suffer from programmer/designer split, as the ones can’t code and the others have no spine when it gets to understanding what works.
    i don’t see how “ooh i just play with paper and scissors” tree hugging attitude, nor the “i love star trek screw inter-faces zero-one-one-zero-one” can work well.

    regards the “because i said so” of the previous post – of course good design comes from your tingling spidy senses, but so does good code design, and is called experience. it’s not something specific to UX design.

    to sum it up – if anything i’d suggest “designers” getting into programming and those “programmers” – into thinking.
    result will be that the gap will be much narrower, and thus huge part of the discussion will go away because of simple understanding.

    times have changed and i don’t think we can afford specialising too narrow

  2. Brad Griffith Says:

    February 23, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    I think another way to put this that may ease some of the “why should I listen to you?” resistance is to point out that it’s not as if the original programmer has reams of studies and data to back up their design decisions. The programmer made the original decision (adding icons on every menu entry, making a 9-level nested tab monstrosity, etc.) based off of subconscious intuition, or in a lot of cases a lack of care about the design in general and a desire to just get the project done.

    At least the designer has taken the time to think about the design problems and attempt to solve them. In most cases, the programmer is too focused on their pile of problems to even approach that. It’s not that a programmer’s mind is necessarily or universally incapable of making good design decisions. It’s that trusting a designer a bit can ensure that there is a person dedicated to solving the problems you don’t have energy remaining to focus on — problems that are just as important to the ultimate success of the project.

  3. seth Says:

    February 23, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    Dear TM, we mostly agree.

    I hate specs. I’m not suggesting specs. Specs are a beauracratic interpretation of a good things; just like stupid meetings are a beuracratic interpretation of a reasonable conversation.

    And my *whole point* is the “spine tingly” is shared by all skills: coding and design. Its not special to design. But it IS specific to domains where you’ve developed skill. So listen to designers on the basis of their spine tingles, and don’t force them overmuch to justify things that amount to BS justifications anyway.

    Plus, you’re talking to a generalist. I code. I design. I do other shit.

    I will say, coding and designing on the same project has hazards. I’ve done it. It has upsides, it has downsides. But the two do interfere in interesting ways (good and bad).

    I’d love for more developers to get good at design. The sort of shit I’m sick of fixing I’d classify as common sense…. but sometimes I think that’s unfair. One man’s common sense is another’s impossible task.

    Other stuff can more subtle and requires more than just thinking… a pinch of experience, a pinch of education, and a pinch of just being good at “that kind of thinking”.

  4. Simon Says:

    February 23, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    The sort of shit I’m sick of fixing I’d classify as common sense…. but sometimes I think that’s unfair. One man’s common sense is another’s impossible task.

    And that’s the crux of it, isn’t it? To the experienced person (be they designer, coder, or something else), so many decisions are pure instinct, born of years of experience of what works and what doesn’t. They’re simply a matter of doing what seems obvious.

    But to the person lacking that experience, you’re dealing with someone who’s offering a whole lot of suggestions, and is unable to explain why they’re a good idea. Frankly, it sounds like mysticism a lot of the time – for all that he can explain the process, the expert might as well have made his recommendations by talking to the spirits.

    I get this plenty, reviewing other people’s code for them. And for all that it’s hard, the onus really has to be on the expert to explain themselves, to get the other person to understand why you’re recommending something. Because if you can’t do that, the other person probably won’t learn anything from the process, and you’ll just end up going through the same situation next time.

  5. Janne Says:

    February 24, 2010 at 2:25 am

    Off topic, but your animated, blinking hackergotchi on Planet Gnome is amazingly annoying. You could not make it harder to browse the RSS feed for me if you tried. I get about one or two sentences in, and then my attention is yanked away by an unexpected, arrythmic flash.

    If you are making some kind of design point with it, then ok. you’ve made it. Now please remove it. I really enjoy reading what you write and I would hate to have to block your posts because of a stupid thing like that. But I will have to block it, or I can’t follow the planet posts at all.

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