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Morality Plays

February 23, 2010

We talked a little today about the importance of building a more fruitful dynamic between hackers and designers.

Some of us are pretty good designers. Some of you are pretty good programmers. We could all be making awesome shit instead of us nagging to clean up the fringes of existing UI messes. We’d rather be designing things that profoundly improve people’s lives; insights about what they want, need, current things that really trip them up in big ways.

But we’ve been framing the hacker<->designer conversation around low level usability. Maybe we could get more done if the default conversation was different? If it happened earlier? If it was about deep design rather than surface bodangles?

Establishing a Fruitful Design Relationship

A number of us at the hackfest think that hackers would respond well to “bigger more meaningful designs”… introduced into projects closer to the get-go… vs the streetfighting to accomplish minor usability gains on fundamentally flawed UX approaches.

Here are a couple facetious morality plays to illustrate, from my experience, positive vs. not positive hacker interactions I’ve had. The “yes” ones are based on interactions with some of the best UI hackers I’ve had the pleasure of working with; hackers like Havoc, Jrb, Marco Pesenti Gritti, and many more that go down as unsung heros of a dark and troubled age. I think the results of these type of interactions speak for themselves. I think trusting good designers results in a much sexier, more profoundly interesting end product, which was more fun to program.

* Sadly, up-front design also causes premature balding and space-aids. Your results may vary. Please consult your physician before undergoing a course of treatment.

I think these hackers have also learned a lot more as a result of the interaction, and have become excellent UI designers in their own rights.

Without further ado, morality plays…. (hint: Jesus’ words are not in red)

YES

hackmaster2000: hey, I implemented this dialogue last night, could you take a look at it and help me make it better?

cryanblark: YES! blah blah. blah?

hackmaster2000: blah blah? blah blah

cryanblark: blah blah blah.

…hours pass…

hackmaster2000: ok, here’s a rough cut, of the dialogue, I had some new ideas like X and Y, what do you think? could you take a look / try this out and tell me if its right?

cryanblark: baby, you are too good to me

wankmaster2000: hello, I have written piles of code with no input. the design is way way way off the mark, but I think it is awesome, and even though you could have designed a better one out your ass while being waterboarded, I am also too lazy to make any major changes because I like it just the way it is.

cryanblark: Well, um, you’ve really encoded some suboptimal UI ideas at a very low level. I would concentrate on this and this high level idea instead if you want to make a substantial improvement.

wankmaster2000: no, my friend Jeremy likes this crazy shit just the way he is, and he’s totally a normal guy. Please give me different suggestions.

cryanblark: urgh, fine, here are some small tweaks you can make, a relabel here, a repacking here, some HIG spacing over on that. Quite honestly, these really don’t improve the fundamentals of this bad design you’ve presented, but at least I won’t have to gouge out my eyes.

wankmaster2000: Wow, these trivial repacking changes you’ve suggested are different than the arbitrary layouts I made without thinking at 3am last night at the end of a meth bender. I demand you provide hard evidence that these useless polish changes are better than what I had before. I demand you usability test this change to verify this worthless POS for me and find all the trivial polish points that will actually make little to no difference on this stinky stinky turd of an application and then certify it as “usable”.

cryanblark: We good designers rarely admit this in public, because it seems hard to say, but quite frankly design is mostly about deep skill, experience, observation, and good common sense (just like coding, bitches). Usability testing is good for finding important rough corners in designs that are already pretty damn good, it can’t get the right design structure in place in the first place. Are you suggesting we work like natural selection…. you make random retarded changes, and then I use usability testing to select against the bad ones, rinse and repeat for 5 billion years?

wankmaster2000: I understand that “usability testing” a badly designed app is a time consuming and worthless procedure when you could do a much much better starting ground design in about 5 minutes, but that is not hard science is it? please don’t tell me you are just a fuzzy wimp?

cryanblark: I have taken out a contract on your life.

YESYESYES

hackmaster2000: Hey, I’ve worked on X and Y, and I want to start a new project / do a major UI revision to do Z. Could you help me get a good design as a starting point?

cryanblark: !!! I love you!

hackmaster2000: BTW, please tell me if Z is the wrong question to be asking, and if there’s a related goal that makes more sense, or a bigger picture I should be thinking about in solving this… I’d rather tackle something significant rather than write code that has the same fundamental UI premises as existing solutions, and thus ends up with the same mediocre solutions. I really want to do something better. Lets talk about the real problems and attitudes my users might have.

cryanblark: you are the most awesome hacker ever…

< long conversation ensues >

hackmaster2000: you haven’t 100% convinced me on UI points R and Q, but I want this app to be awesome, and I bet in the absence of 100% assurance that your best UI guess is better than mine, so I will implement your mockup as-is anyway… can we revisit this once I’ve got some people trying it and revisit points R and Q and see if you still think that’s the right way?

cryanblark: I will gladly bear your young.

wankmaster2000: I have largely ignored your input the many times I have bothered you in the past. But I want to discuss Y with you. Here is a screenshot. Everything you say will be deemed a “suggestion” and ignored. I insist you argue with me. This will take hours.

cryanblark: I hate you.

Please feel free to contribute your own morality plays about how designers are wankers too. Because, god knows, we are fuckups too. I have no doubt some of you can write some very funny designwanker morality plays. Please do? Ad-hominem attacks and favorite memories encouraged (no, seriously, this is fair game, and could be very funny).

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58 Responses to “Morality Plays”

Simon Says:

February 23, 2010 at 1:47 am
Do ‘wankmaster2000’ types really exist? That is, coders who actually approach the designers for advice, without any real interest in following it? I’d have though that most people like that would simply not bother at all…
Bryan Says:

February 23, 2010 at 2:01 am
It’s not necessarily that ‘wankmaster2000’ wants to take the low road as much as when that person created something they like and receive feedback that it’s suboptimal they tend ignore the designer in those aspects and look only for help in the areas “they know” are wrong. Just like Nickell’s dialogs above. i.e. “Can you help with my dialogs?”, “Your general approach is wrong”, “Well I don’t have time to fix that, what can we do about the dialogs?”, “We can remove them by changing your general approach”, “Look, I wanted help with the dialogs”, “Right…”
ethana2 Says:

February 23, 2010 at 2:30 am
NO

cryandblark: There’s a couple interesting ideas I noticed when I used my cousin’s Mac yesterday.. global menu, miller columns in finde—

wankmaster2000: If you use Apple’s good ideas, then they WIN. If they WIN, then we all LOSE! BURN HIM AT THE STAKE! FOR FREEDOM!!!
ethana2 Says:

February 23, 2010 at 3:29 am
NO

cryandblark: I added Facebook to my empathy with XMPP and I have 3 times as many online contacts as I do screen height.. is there any way we can get icon vi–

wankmaster2000: You have too many friends. Kill someone.
ethana2 Says:

February 23, 2010 at 3:56 am
cryandblark: Hey, about single window mode..

wankmaster2000: Your mother is dressed in black leather and tied up in our basement.

cryandblark: !??!!

wankmaster2000: Just wait another decade, mkay?
Eitan Isaacson Says:

February 23, 2010 at 4:53 am
Cool! You inspired me to do the same surrounding accessibility (hint: the designer will be the yank master)
djcb Says:

February 23, 2010 at 6:26 am
Hi Seth — good to see you are back!

So, the moral of this morality play is that programmers can be
less than receptive to the suggestions of the taken by designers,
and the world would be a better place if they did so in a
different way. Sure – fair enough.

However, it also suggests that developers should
have an almost blind faith in the design skills of the designer
— if you don’t take my ideas as Timeless Truths, you are just
like wankmaster2000, you dirty developer!

There are designers that deserve that, but in my experience, many
don’t. The last thing I’d want is to have the lesser design gods
take up this kind of moral. It’d be good if the story would
balance this a bit.

In addition, it would be great if you had some rules-of-thumb to
distinguish the good designers that should be trusted from the
mere wannabees.
otte Says:

February 23, 2010 at 7:22 am
That problem is that we really have no shortage in designers that lack at explaining why their design decisions are good. So for somebody not having a clue about design, the only things he can do is trust the designer or ignore him.
Not good.

PS: Why did we remove icons from menus and buttons again?
Graham Lyon Says:

February 23, 2010 at 8:06 am
I’d just like to say that reading this post has made my morning far more bearable and I thank you for that 🙂

You make a very good point about designs needing to be done correctly. Temporary designs are all well and good as long as they don’t stay for very long (read as: are implemented purely to test a feature as its implemented and are replaced with something far better as soon as possible and never see the light of a release).
sil Says:

February 23, 2010 at 8:20 am
I couldn’t agree more with this. My only problem is (once more into playscript):

hackmaster2000: hey, I’ve started putting together this program, and it does this. Here’s a brief description of the program, and the early dialogs I produced; could you help me out with whether this is the right way to do it?
cryanblark: …
hackmaster2000: hello? I’m not sure I’ve got the design right on this, and I read Seth’s post, and I’d really like some help
cryanblark: …
(four months pass)
hackmaster2000: well, I’ve now done four months coding on this, because I like my project idea, and I want to use it, so it’s coded just for me and I did the design
cryanblark: hey, sorry, I’ve been really busy, because there are a million hackers and, like, six designers, and because a decent system design review takes a lot more time than just saying “the spacing on your buttons is wrong”. Anyway, from your original designs, I think you should take this route to make your program great
hackmaster2000: but…that’s totally not the route I did take. To do that I’d have to junk all the code I’ve written and start again from scratch
cryanblark: you want your program to be great, right? you’re not one of those wankmasters who ignores design, are you?
hackmaster2000: grrraaaah

Not sure how this is avoided without there being more designers. Which is what we need. On that note, nice to see you back posting again, Seth 🙂
sil Says:

February 23, 2010 at 8:25 am
otte: I think that that’s a matter of trust, to be honest. I trust the designers I work with to know what they’re doing; I don’t repeatedly ask for them to justify themselves, just like they don’t ask me to justify my choices of programming language or how to re-factor functions. As we have more designers in the community, we’ll see more of them becoming trusted by virtue of having got it right in the past, but for that to happen there needs to be some initial trust to get over the hump.
Rémi Cardona Says:

February 23, 2010 at 8:30 am
Awesome plays, made me spurt my morning coffee!

Come to think of it, it is funny because it’s very sadly true. It’s funny/tragic how every field of computing has experts whose opinion is valued… except for UI design, where almost all programmers and/or managers think they’re qualified to design UIs and belittle the task.

Anyhow, thanks for plays, I’ll definitely keep this post in a bookmark next time I have to discuss UIs with my boss or co-workers.

Cheers 🙂
Simon Says:

February 23, 2010 at 8:15 pm
@Bryan – oh, I’m well familiar with that kind of general problem, the insistence on fixing the problems afterwards, rather than avoiding them in the first place – that’s a problem not at all specific to usability engineering.

It sounds though like your problem is with people who have no real interest in a designers opinion, but nevertheless seem to see it as some kind of sign-off that should be done. Not unheard of in commercial development, but surprising in open-source.
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