“Gtk 4.0 is not Gtk 4”

… and that’s OK.

Please note that this blog post is very old, and not an accurate reflection of the current state of versioning in GTK.

This morning in Toronto, many GNOME developers met to kick off the GTK hackfest.

The first topic that we discussed was how to deal with a problem that we have had for some time: the desire to create a modern toolkit with new features vs. the need to keep a stable API. Gtk 3 has seen a very rapid pace of development over its lifetime and we have a much better toolkit than we started out with. Unfortunately, this has often come with the cost of less-than-perfect API stability. In addition, the need to keep the API mostly stable for years at a time has somewhat slowed the pace of development and created a hesitation to expose “too much” API for fear of having to live with it “forever”.

We want to improve this, and we have a plan.

Everyone present for the discussion was excited about this plan as the best possible way forward, but it is not yet official. We will need to have discussions about this with distributors and, particularly, with the GNOME release team. Those discussions are likely to occur over the next couple of months, leading up to GUADEC.

We are going to increase the speed at which we do releases of new major versions of Gtk (ie: Gtk 4, Gtk 5, Gtk 6…). We want to target a new major release every two years. This period of time was chosen to line up well with the cadence of many popular Linux distributions.

The new release of Gtk is going to be fully parallel-installable with the old one. Gtk 4 and Gtk 3 will install alongside each other in exactly the same way as Gtk 2 and Gtk 3 — separate library name, separate pkg-config name, separate header directory. You will be able to have a system that has development headers and libraries installed for each of Gtk 2, 3, 4 and 5, if you want to do that.

Meanwhile, Gtk 4.0 will not be the final stable API of what we would call “Gtk 4”. Each 6 months, the new release (Gtk 4.2, Gtk 4.4, Gtk 4.6) will break API and ABI vs. the release that came before it. These incompatible minor versions will not be fully parallel installable; they will use the same pkg-config name and the same header file directory. We will, of course, bump the soname with each new incompatible release — you will be able to run Gtk 4.0 apps alongside Gtk 4.2 and 4.4 apps, but you won’t be able to build them on the same system. This policy fits the model of how most distributions think about libraries and their “development packages”.

Each successive minor version will be growing toward a new stable API. Before each new “dot 0” release, the last minor release on the previous major version will be designated as this “API stable” release. For Gtk 4, for example, we will aim for this to be 4.6 (and so on for future major releases). Past this point there will not be disruptions; this “stable API” will be very stable. There will certainly not be the kind of breaks that we have seen between recent Gtk minor releases.

In this way, “Gtk 4.0” is not “Gtk 4”. “Gtk 4.0” is the first raw version of what will eventually grow into “Gtk 4”, sometime around Gtk 4.6 (18 months later).

The first “API stable” version under this new scheme is likely to be something like Gtk 3.26.

Applications authors will have two main options.

The first option is to target a specific version of the Gtk API, appearing once per two years, that stays stable forever. Application can continue to target this API until the end of time, and it will be available in distributions for as long as there are applications that depend on it. We expect that most third party applications will choose this path.

If two years is too long to wait for new feature, application authors can also choose to target the unstable releases. This is a serious undertaking, and requires a commitment to maintaining the application during a two year period, and keeping up with any changes in the toolkit. We expect that GNOME applications will do this.

Third party application authors can also follow the unstable releases of Gtk, but we encourage caution here. This will work for GNOME because if a single maintainer disappears, there will be others to step in and help keep the app up to date, at least until the next 2 year stable release. This approach may also work for other large projects that are similar to GNOME. With individual app authors, life can change a lot during two years, and they may not be able to make such a commitment. Distributions may decide that it is too risky to ship such applications (or update to new versions), if they use the unstable API.

In general, we feel that this approach is the best possible combination of two distinct and valid desires. Gtk users that have been asking for stability will get what they need, and the authors of Gtk will get additional freedom to improve the toolkit at a faster pace.

… now let’s see what we discuss this afternoon.

55 thoughts on ““Gtk 4.0 is not Gtk 4””

  1. It will just create more mess compared to gtk2 vs gtk3. It adds a lot of burden of apps developers to port stuff over and over again to new libraries.

  2. This is a terrible idea. This just means that developers will use the latest stable version and leave it at that for two years, then re-write stuff for the next stable version.

    This doesn’t make any sense when most developers are part of the community and not employees of a corporation. They just won’t have the resources (both human and monetary) to keep up with the releases and will use the latest stable version and leave it at that, just like right now there are still projects that need GTK 2.

    Backwards compatibility should be the priority here.

    Just as an example, Windows XP apps will run pretty much perfectly in 2016, 15 years later; with little or no modifications. That’s what we should be aiming for.

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