There is a blog post doing the rounds asserting that Flatpak Is Not The Future. The post is really long, and it seems unlikely that I and the author will ever agree on this topic, so I’m only going to talk about a couple of paragraphs about disk usage and sharing of runtimes between apps which caught my eye. This is highly relevant to my day job because all apps on Endless OS are Flatpaks—for example, the English downloadable version has 58 Flatpak apps pre-installed, and 13 runtimes—and I’ve had and answered some of the same questions discussed in the post.
They claim that they deduplicate runtimes. I question how much can really be shared between different branches when everything is recompiled.
This question is really easy to answer using
du, which does not double-count files which are hardlinked together. Let’s compare the 20.08 and 21.08 versions of the freedesktop runtime:
wjt@camille:~$ du -sh /var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/20.08 674M /var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/20.08 wjt@camille:~$ du -sh /var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/21.08 498M /var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/21.08 wjt@camille:~$ du -sh /var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/20.08 /var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/21.08 674M /var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/20.08 385M /var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/21.08 wjt@camille:~$ echo $(( 498 - 385 )) 113
113 MB (out of 498 MB for the smaller, more up-to-date 21.08 runtime) is shared between these two runtimes.
How about the GNOME 41 runtime, which is derived from the 21.08 freedesktop runtime?
wjt@camille:~$ du -sh /var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/21.08 498M /var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/21.08 wjt@camille:~$ du -sh /var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/41 715M /var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/41 wjt@camille:~$ du -sh /var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/21.08 /var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/41 498M /var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/21.08 327M /var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/41 wjt@camille:~$ echo $(( 715 - 327 )) 388
388 MB (out of 715 MB) of the GNOME 41 runtime is shared with the 21.08 runtime.
I can’t imagine what system updates will be like in the future when you have a few dozen apps storing tens of gigabytes of runtimes that all want to be kept up to date.
There is no need to imagine! I have 163 Flatpak apps on my Endless OS system. Let’s see how many runtimes I have, how big they are, and how many apps use each one:
wjt@camille:~$ flatpak list --app --columns=runtime | sort | uniq -c | wc -l 18 wjt@camille:~$ flatpak list --app --columns=runtime | sort | uniq -c | sort -n 1 com.endlessm.apps.Platform/x86_64/6 1 org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/18.08 1 org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/3.34 1 org.gnome.Sdk/x86_64/41 1 org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.14 2 com.endlessm.Platform/x86_64/eos3.2 2 org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/3.28 3 org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/19.08 3 org.freedesktop.Sdk/x86_64/21.08 3 org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/3.38 3 org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15-21.08 5 org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/3.36 9 org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15 10 org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/20.08 24 com.endlessm.apps.Platform/x86_64/5 28 org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/21.08 30 org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/40 36 org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/41 wjt@camille:~$ cd /var/lib/flatpak/runtime; flatpak list --app --columns=runtime | sort | uniq | xargs du -sh --total 918M com.endlessm.apps.Platform/x86_64/5 907M com.endlessm.apps.Platform/x86_64/6 2.0G com.endlessm.Platform/x86_64/eos3.2 632M org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/18.08 211M org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/19.08 569M org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/20.08 385M org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/21.08 782M org.freedesktop.Sdk/x86_64/21.08 26M org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/3.28 329M org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/3.34 264M org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/3.36 263M org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/3.38 198M org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/40 277M org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/41 264M org.gnome.Sdk/x86_64/41 436M org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.14 231M org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15 215M org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15-21.08 8.7G total
I have 18 runtimes, totalling 8.7 GB of storage (deduplicated), not “tens of gigabytes”. The top 5 most-used runtimes on my system cover 128 of the 163 apps. (I am ignoring the .Locale extensions of each runtime: the English and French translations of the 21.08 runtime total 17 MB, compared to 498 MB for the runtime itself, so I think this is a reasonable simplification for rough numbers.) As for updates? GNOME Software applies them automatically and silently. I don’t think about them at all.
People may disagree about whether the numbers above are large or small, compared to the upsides that Flatpak does or does not bring. But the numbers themselves are readily accessible, as is much of the past and ongoing work that has gone into making them as small/large as they are.
Personally, I think the trade-off is absolutely worth it for me and for Endless OS users, particularly since going all-in on Flatpak means that the base, immutable Endless OS install is just 4.2 GB. Of course there is room for improvement, and years ago I wrote a quick hack to help study exactly which files would ideally be shared between two runtimes but are not. At the time, the primary cause was non-reproducible builds. Since then, the Flatpak ecosystem has moved over to Buildstream which should help a lot, though I haven’t rerun the experiments except for what you see above. Automated statistics about apps using obsolete runtimes might be useful for the Flathub community, as might automated runtime updates, and some further work on understanding if and how the derived runtimes (GNOME & KDE) could share more with the freedesktop runtime version they are based on. And, would widespread use of filesystems that support block-level deduplication (like btrfs) help?